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Post by rreckless on Aug 9, 2024 20:29:55 GMT
3 options for each position is quite a lot. Not really. It's the baseline in a 25 man or so squad. 2 where it's their preferred position and a third where they can cover. To be expected when sometimes 2 games in a week or injuries. Having 2 would mean 1 injury means 1 player can't rest. So we had the standard numbers. We've just been absurdly unlucky with injuries.
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Post by wnm on Aug 9, 2024 20:33:55 GMT
Not really. It's the baseline in a 25 man or so squad. 2 where it's their preferred position and a third where they can cover. To be expected when sometimes 2 games in a week or injuries. Having 2 would mean 1 injury means 1 player can't rest. So we had the standard numbers. We've just been absurdly unlucky with injuries. No we didn’t. We had one fit RB/RWB and a selection of other players who can play in one of those positions rather than specialise in that position.
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Post by rreckless on Aug 9, 2024 20:39:29 GMT
So we had the standard numbers. We've just been absurdly unlucky with injuries. No we didn’t. We had one fit RB/RWB and a selection of other players who can play in one of those positions rather than specialise in that position. We have 2 contracted RWBs and 1 who can play there (and has quite a bit) and 1 who can, at a push, play there (Collar) We have 3 contracted players who can comfortably play RB. MSH is training already remember and the club will have known where he was up to. edit: and a kid who can play there at a push.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 20:43:51 GMT
No we didn’t. We had one fit RB/RWB and a selection of other players who can play in one of those positions rather than specialise in that position. We have 2 contracted RWBs and 1 who can play there (and has quite a bit) and 1 who can, at a push, play there (Collar) We have 3 contracted players who can comfortably play RB. MSH is training already remember and the club will have known where he was up to. Contracted is right but you can't count MSH. He's a couple of months away at best and needs time to get up to speed. If he was fit, I'd be with you. Class player and has the pace we need. We've known about that for ages. So one first choice RWB. Then a cover option in Fevrier and a desperation one in Collar. Regardless, we now know Knoyle is out for half the season too. We've got to act.
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Post by rreckless on Aug 9, 2024 20:47:24 GMT
We have 2 contracted RWBs and 1 who can play there (and has quite a bit) and 1 who can, at a push, play there (Collar) We have 3 contracted players who can comfortably play RB. MSH is training already remember and the club will have known where he was up to. Contracted is right but you can't count MSH. He's a couple of months away at best and needs time to get up to speed. If he was fit, I'd be with you. Class player and has the pace we need. We've known about that for ages. So one first choice RWB. Then a cover option in Fevrier and a desperation one in Collar. Regardless, we now know Knoyle is out for half the season too. We've got to act. If we can find a loan who's under 21, yes. Unless we're relying on Fevrier, Collar and Okeke to get us through the first couple of months. I'm hoping MSH will be back in September, given he's been training on grass since mid July.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 20:52:30 GMT
Contracted is right but you can't count MSH. He's a couple of months away at best and needs time to get up to speed. If he was fit, I'd be with you. Class player and has the pace we need. We've known about that for ages. So one first choice RWB. Then a cover option in Fevrier and a desperation one in Collar. Regardless, we now know Knoyle is out for half the season too. We've got to act. If we can find a loan who's under 21, yes. Unless we're relying on Fevrier, Collar and Okeke to get us through the first couple of months. I'm hoping MSH will be back in September, given he's been training on grass since mid July. We've just had the injury update. 4 back in August at best - Tanto, Stretton, Powell and Rydel. 1 more hopefully by international break 7-14 Sept. Rest looking at 2 months plus. MSH wasn't mentioned so I can't see him being less than 2 months, which would still be way head of Christmas estimate. Then he's going to need at least a month to build match sharpness. We should and have I think planned for him to be out for half a season. Now Knoyle is the same.
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Post by wnm on Aug 9, 2024 20:53:32 GMT
Contracted is right but you can't count MSH. He's a couple of months away at best and needs time to get up to speed. If he was fit, I'd be with you. Class player and has the pace we need. We've known about that for ages. So one first choice RWB. Then a cover option in Fevrier and a desperation one in Collar. Regardless, we now know Knoyle is out for half the season too. We've got to act. If we can find a loan who's under 21, yes. Unless we're relying on Fevrier, Collar and Okeke to get us through the first couple of months. I'm hoping MSH will be back in September, given he's been training on grass since mid July. Why do they have to be an u21 loanee? We’ve got multiple squad places and the money to bring in a player.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 20:54:39 GMT
I'm OK with a loan. Doesn't have to be U21 as we have the squad slots. My point is more that we have the space for a permanent first choice option who can develop. If the right man isn't available, a loan works. But for me we should have had a RWB on our shopping list and now it's a must.
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Post by rreckless on Aug 9, 2024 21:05:50 GMT
If we can find a loan who's under 21, yes. Unless we're relying on Fevrier, Collar and Okeke to get us through the first couple of months. I'm hoping MSH will be back in September, given he's been training on grass since mid July. Why do they have to be an u21 loanee? We’ve got multiple squad places and the money to bring in a player. I guess they don't have U21. But I can't see us spending money on someone when we have the number we already have.
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Post by rreckless on Aug 9, 2024 21:06:50 GMT
If we can find a loan who's under 21, yes. Unless we're relying on Fevrier, Collar and Okeke to get us through the first couple of months. I'm hoping MSH will be back in September, given he's been training on grass since mid July. We've just had the injury update. 4 back in August at best - Tanto, Stretton, Powell and Rydel. 1 more hopefully by international break 7-14 Sept. Rest looking at 2 months plus. MSH wasn't mentioned so I can't see him being less than 2 months, which would still be way head of Christmas estimate. Then he's going to need at least a month to build match sharpness. We should and have I think planned for him to be out for half a season. Now Knoyle is the same. The 1 more could be MSH, possibly. I imagine if the club feel like we need someone, we'll get someone, assuming there is someone suitable.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 9, 2024 21:07:26 GMT
If we can find a loan who's under 21, yes. Unless we're relying on Fevrier, Collar and Okeke to get us through the first couple of months. I'm hoping MSH will be back in September, given he's been training on grass since mid July. We've just had the injury update. 4 back in August at best - Tanto, Stretton, Powell and Rydel. 1 more hopefully by international break 7-14 Sept. Rest looking at 2 months plus. MSH wasn't mentioned so I can't see him being less than 2 months, which would still be way head of Christmas estimate. Then he's going to need at least a month to build match sharpness. We should and have I think planned for him to be out for half a season. Now Knoyle is the same. also got to factor in when msh is back available, how long will he last before hes injured again
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 9, 2024 21:14:43 GMT
I think the club will get someone for RB/RWB. But that is because Stott is incredibly generous and Wilson is proving to be excellent in the market, his contacts really have come to the fore this summer.
But I'd completely back it if we just said "no more. Budget for the summer window is spent unless you can get a cheap loan"
I'd then put all available resource that is left into a Strength and Conditioning team that focuses on injury prevention. Their mandate wouldn't be getting players fit, that would be the existing staff but it would be a S&C coach with sports science background that could get to the bottom of injuries.
There is the possibility they would tread on toes in re: to the coaching team but I think it's really quite serious.
We can cover for injuries but if we continue to pick these injuries up at the rate we have pre-season we will be down there and it will be purely the injury situations fault.
Why should we bring in more players if they just get injured? Look at Mellon and Adaramola.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 21:15:20 GMT
We've just had the injury update. 4 back in August at best - Tanto, Stretton, Powell and Rydel. 1 more hopefully by international break 7-14 Sept. Rest looking at 2 months plus. MSH wasn't mentioned so I can't see him being less than 2 months, which would still be way head of Christmas estimate. Then he's going to need at least a month to build match sharpness. We should and have I think planned for him to be out for half a season. Now Knoyle is the same. The 1 more could be MSH, possibly. I imagine if the club feel like we need someone, we'll get someone, assuming there is someone suitable. It could but Connolly was only meant to be out for 6 weeks or so I think from Pinatar. Fiorini wasn't meant to be out for long either. We know MSH is ahead of schedule but more than 3 months would still be some achievement. He'll also need to be eased in. Any player would but especially with his history.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 9, 2024 21:23:07 GMT
I think the club will get someone for RB/RWB. But that is because Stott is incredibly generous and Wilson is proving to be excellent in the market, his contacts really have come to the fore this summer. But I'd completely back it if we just said "no more. Budget for the summer window is spent unless you can get a cheap loan" I'd then put all available resource that is left into a Strength and Conditioning team that focuses on injury prevention. Their mandate wouldn't be getting players fit, that would be the existing staff but it would be a S&C coach with sports science background that could get to the bottom of injuries. There is the possibility they would tread on toes in re: to the coaching team but I think it's really quite serious. We can cover for injuries but if we continue to pick these injuries up at the rate we have pre-season we will be down there and it will be purely the injury situations fault. Why should we bring in more players if they just get injured? Look at Mellon and Adaramola. I presume we already have a S&C coach, or many, with a sports science background given our staff levels. Not point signing anyone if you can't keep them fit. If there is something we change behind this injury crisis I highly doubt it's a quick fix or something an extra coach will remedy. Otherwise we would have sorted it by now. There was a review last season. Edit - With what we've invested elsewhere it's laughable to think we don't have a full injury prevention team and process. It's not Fifa or FM where you can just throw money at a problem and it will go away.
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 9, 2024 21:26:09 GMT
I think the club will get someone for RB/RWB. But that is because Stott is incredibly generous and Wilson is proving to be excellent in the market, his contacts really have come to the fore this summer. But I'd completely back it if we just said "no more. Budget for the summer window is spent unless you can get a cheap loan" I'd then put all available resource that is left into a Strength and Conditioning team that focuses on injury prevention. Their mandate wouldn't be getting players fit, that would be the existing staff but it would be a S&C coach with sports science background that could get to the bottom of injuries. There is the possibility they would tread on toes in re: to the coaching team but I think it's really quite serious. We can cover for injuries but if we continue to pick these injuries up at the rate we have pre-season we will be down there and it will be purely the injury situations fault. Why should we bring in more players if they just get injured? Look at Mellon and Adaramola. I presume we already have a S&C, or many, with a sports science background given our staff levels. Not point signing anyone if you can't keep them fit. If there is something we change behind this injury crisis I highly doubt it's a quick fix or something an extra coach will remedy. Otherwise we would have sorted it by now. There was a review last season. We had an advert for a Strength and Conditioning coach in a role that hasn't yet been filled yet.
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