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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 14, 2024 11:06:09 GMT
Also mad that VAR can't intervene for a second yellow. If VAR can interfere in a second yellow then surely it would have to interfere in all yellows? If this was his first yellow and then he got a second yellow which was deserved then what? Just another example that VAR isn’t the magic bullet some seem to think it is. Why? Everyone in football knows there's a higher bar for a second yellow and, regardless, it has a much great impact impact than the first yellow. We have to draw boundaries somewhere to keep the flow of game. It doesn't seen unreasonable to me to change it so that VAR can review any incident that results in a red card.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 14, 2024 11:51:23 GMT
If VAR can interfere in a second yellow then surely it would have to interfere in all yellows? If this was his first yellow and then he got a second yellow which was deserved then what? Just another example that VAR isn’t the magic bullet some seem to think it is. Why? Everyone in football knows there's a higher bar for a second yellow and, regardless, it has a much great impact impact than the first yellow. We have to draw boundaries somewhere to keep the flow of game. It doesn't seen unreasonable to me to change it so that VAR can review any incident that results in a red card. The point is that this shouldn’t have drawn a free kick let alone a yellow card. If he’d picked up a yellow card for this, then a second yellow for an actual foul that was worthy of a yellow, then he would still wrongly be sent off. VAR doesn’t change anything. FYI there isn’t supposed to be a higher bar for second yellows. If there is that’s on referees. One of my favourite moments in the Prem in recent years was Martinelli getting two yellows for the same passage of play when the ref had played advantage. Two fouls, both worthy of a yellow, sent off. You’re right the line has to be drawn somewhere. For now the line is drawn before yellow cards. A second yellow is still a yellow card and yellow cards are much more subjective than straight reds.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 14, 2024 12:09:27 GMT
Why? Everyone in football knows there's a higher bar for a second yellow and, regardless, it has a much great impact impact than the first yellow. We have to draw boundaries somewhere to keep the flow of game. It doesn't seen unreasonable to me to change it so that VAR can review any incident that results in a red card. The point is that this shouldn’t have drawn a free kick let alone a yellow card. If he’d picked up a yellow card for this, then a second yellow for an actual foul that was worthy of a yellow, then he would still wrongly be sent off. VAR doesn’t change anything. FYI there isn’t supposed to be a higher bar for second yellows. If there is that’s on referees. One of my favourite moments in the Prem in recent years was Martinelli getting two yellows for the same passage of play when the ref had played advantage. Two fouls, both worthy of a yellow, sent off. You’re right the line has to be drawn somewhere. For now the line is drawn before yellow cards. A second yellow is still a yellow card and yellow cards are much more subjective than straight reds. Yep and I'm prepared to accept that to avoid re-refing the game or reviewing every yellow. VAR could still change the circumstance where the wrong decision directly results in a red, like this one. It's not perfect but better than nothing. Again I agree but that's the way refs apply it. It's not really relevant to point either.
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Post by ancienthatter on Aug 14, 2024 13:21:01 GMT
Hate it generally. But especially annoying when they won’t use it tocorrect blatantly incorrect corner/goal kick decisions. That alone brings the thing into disrepute. If there’s anything more unfair than a team scoring from a corner that should have been a goal kick then I can’t think of one.
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Post by vicar on Aug 15, 2024 7:36:47 GMT
Hate it generally. But especially annoying when they won’t use it tocorrect blatantly incorrect corner/goal kick decisions. That alone brings the thing into disrepute. If there’s anything more unfair than a team scoring from a corner that should have been a goal kick then I can’t think of one. Corners don't usually result in goals and teams get the chance to defend it, if we do it for corners we'd have to do it for free kicks in attacking positions and throw ins if Hayter's playing.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 15, 2024 7:41:44 GMT
Any rumblings on a signing before Saturday? Great to see a few back in training but they'll need to be eased in and will we lose another straightaway?
MSH is now back on the grass and the ball. Surely he can't be near a shock return which is why we haven't moved for a RB? Christmas time was predicted and he wasn't mentioned by DC as one who could be back in August.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 15, 2024 7:43:13 GMT
Any rumblings on a signing before Saturday? Great to see a few back in training but they'll need to be eased in and will we lose another straightaway? MSH is now back on the grass and the ball. Surely he can't be near a shock return which is why we haven't moved for a RB? Christmas time was predicted and he wasn't mentioned by DC as one who could be back by August. is it mad that I'd still be looking for a young rb? With msh injury record he would be out before knoyle returns if he made a shock quicker recovery
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 15, 2024 8:01:46 GMT
Any rumblings on a signing before Saturday? Great to see a few back in training but they'll need to be eased in and will we lose another straightaway? MSH is now back on the grass and the ball. Surely he can't be near a shock return which is why we haven't moved for a RB? Christmas time was predicted and he wasn't mentioned by DC as one who could be back by August. is it mad that I'd still be looking for a young rb? With msh injury record he would be out before knoyle returns if he made a shock quicker recovery I'd still be looking too even if MSH is way ahead of schedule. Knoyle is out to the next window, so even if we can keep MSH fit, it's Mingi filling in at RB or Fevrier or Collar at RWB. Feels perfect for a young loan similar to Adaramola where we have Rydel and Touray.
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Post by albybeliever on Aug 15, 2024 9:14:37 GMT
is it mad that I'd still be looking for a young rb? With msh injury record he would be out before knoyle returns if he made a shock quicker recovery I'd still be looking too even if MSH is way ahead of schedule. Knoyle is out to the next window, so even if we can keep MSH fit, it's Mingi filling in at RB or Fevrier or Collar at RWB. Feels perfect for a young loan similar to Adaramola where we have Rydel and Touray. Indeed. It’s the only position I’d be surprised if we didn’t add someone before the window closes. Would personally like to add in a couple of other positions too, but right back is the one where I’d be amazed if we didn’t bring in a young loanee.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 15, 2024 9:27:21 GMT
I'd still be looking too even if MSH is way ahead of schedule. Knoyle is out to the next window, so even if we can keep MSH fit, it's Mingi filling in at RB or Fevrier or Collar at RWB. Feels perfect for a young loan similar to Adaramola where we have Rydel and Touray. Indeed. It’s the only position I’d be surprised if we didn’t add someone before the window closes. Would personally like to add in a couple of other positions too, but right back is the one where I’d be amazed if we didn’t bring in a young loanee. Yeah. A physical midfielder and possibly another forward if Mellon is out medium term. Both arguably luxuries but the rate we pick up injuries makes me think we should err on the side of caution.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 15, 2024 10:10:39 GMT
Indeed. It’s the only position I’d be surprised if we didn’t add someone before the window closes. Would personally like to add in a couple of other positions too, but right back is the one where I’d be amazed if we didn’t bring in a young loanee. Yeah. A physical midfielder and possibly another forward if Mellon is out medium term. Both arguably luxuries but the rate we pick up injuries makes me think we should err on the side of caution. having a look on Blackpools forum and it seems connoly will probably be that midfielder (defensive midfielder) . Not technical but hard working player who's about 6ft According to Transfermarkt (games played in career) Cb - 108 Dm - 94 Rb - 60 Lb - 30 Both him and mingi will be the "destroyer" type midfielders
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 15, 2024 10:13:18 GMT
Indeed. It’s the only position I’d be surprised if we didn’t add someone before the window closes. Would personally like to add in a couple of other positions too, but right back is the one where I’d be amazed if we didn’t bring in a young loanee. Yeah. A physical midfielder and possibly another forward if Mellon is out medium term. Both arguably luxuries but the rate we pick up injuries makes me think we should err on the side of caution. I’d definitely prefer a physical midfielder to a metaphysical one. Much less likely to disappear in a puff of logic.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 15, 2024 10:25:36 GMT
Yeah. A physical midfielder and possibly another forward if Mellon is out medium term. Both arguably luxuries but the rate we pick up injuries makes me think we should err on the side of caution. having a look on Blackpools forum and it seems connoly will probably be that midfielder (defensive midfielder) . Not technical but hard working player who's about 6ft According to Transfermarkt (games played in career) Cb - 108 Dm - 94 Rb - 60 Lb - 30 Both him and mingi will be the "destroyer" type midfielders Reportedly slow though but Croasdale wasn't blessed with pace. I'd imagine Mingi is more mobile. I agree we have enough and really can't complain (in fact far from it) about our business if we bring a RB in, but I'd have a physical, pacey midfielder who can hold or play box to box on my longterm target list.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 15, 2024 11:26:00 GMT
Personally, I think we have plenty in midfield. Don’t forget the Everton loanee is a big strong lad and can play in there on top of all the other options.
A loanee RB is enough for me.
Might possibly go for a young loaner to help share the burden with Woots.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 15, 2024 11:32:31 GMT
Personally, I think we have plenty in midfield. Don’t forget the Everton loanee is a big strong lad and can play in there on top of all the other options. A loanee RB is enough for me. Might possibly go for a young loaner to help share the burden with Woots. Fair. I forgot about Onyango who has impressed me so far. A RB is only one I'm expecting and I think we need, unless we get more injuries... Maybe a striker if Mellon is out long term. I can't see it being direct competition for Wootton though. As good as he was Saturday, we played our best stuff last season without a no.9. I also think no.9s with a bit of pace and good with their feet are gold dust. I can't see us finding a similar player without spending big money and any loanee would be behind Wootton.
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