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Post by wnm on Aug 20, 2024 10:05:19 GMT
It is credit to Chally how much he has come on as a manager. Going back to the Barrow first game of the season, was criticised (rightly) for waiting too long to make changes in game including the use of his subs. He also didn’t seem to have a Plan B when his (very good but not infallible) Plan A wasn’t working. Fast forward to now and we have a very fluid team with the ball and are able to tweak things in game. Chally isn’t dogmatic about things either, if something isn’t working he recognises it and stops doing it (Touray LCB a good example). His use of subs also vastly improved. He has for. As a manager with the club and risen to the challenges each higher division has posed. I will stick my neck out and say he will take us up this year and get poached by one of the big boys in the Championship. Found his comments after the weekend interesting something along the lines of 'I wouldn't normally say this but told them to focus on how they play not the result' Told me that yes he wants to play good attacking entertaining football but not at the expense of results which is a trap a lot of modern managers fall into, the amount of teams that play pretty football but end up not achieving things - Notts County the best example - in 20 years time we're going to remember what we've won not the way we played out of the back I think the main point from him was that we’ve recruited a certain way this summer and to get the best out of players (particularly Addai, Bate) we need to play football and long term that should be successful for us even if we make mistakes and drop points while we get used to that.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 20, 2024 10:30:06 GMT
It is credit to Chally how much he has come on as a manager. Going back to the Barrow first game of the season, was criticised (rightly) for waiting too long to make changes in game including the use of his subs. He also didn’t seem to have a Plan B when his (very good but not infallible) Plan A wasn’t working. Fast forward to now and we have a very fluid team with the ball and are able to tweak things in game. Chally isn’t dogmatic about things either, if something isn’t working he recognises it and stops doing it (Touray LCB a good example). His use of subs also vastly improved. He has for. As a manager with the club and risen to the challenges each higher division has posed. I will stick my neck out and say he will take us up this year and get poached by one of the big boys in the Championship. Found his comments after the weekend interesting something along the lines of 'I wouldn't normally say this but told them to focus on how they play not the result' Told me that yes he wants to play good attacking entertaining football but not at the expense of results which is a trap a lot of modern managers fall into, the amount of teams that play pretty football but end up not achieving things - Notts County the best example - in 20 years time we're going to remember what we've won not the way we played out of the back I interpreted that as a way to try to improve the result. As DC said, we were playing too safe and direct when our recruitment has focused on ball players in the middle of the park to release our attacking talents. So he was trying to take away the fear and make us play better football but only because it was our best chance of a result.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 20, 2024 10:46:44 GMT
Its a strange one really as all pre season we looked like we wanted to play 3-4-3 when i've said several times our personnel suits a 4231 which we've kind of fell into not too dissimilar to when injuries forced us into the diamond last year, for me we looked too open 343 leaving space down side of centre halves and in behind wingbacks when they go high The 4231 brings best out in Touray taking less onus on him to be an attacking force and similar in being able to play Mingi on other side that gives us a solid base to work from, we could have more expansive options in Rydel/Adaramola and MSH/Knoyle when they return ive never felt MSH or Knoyle ever been found wanting defensively but not sure bout Rydel there would prefer him over Touray if moved back 3 though That solid base of a 4 with a double pivot in front has nice balance with Bate and Camps both equally comfortable sitting as they are an 8 when they get chance for one to jump out of that pivot going forward Against better sides a Mingi or an Onyango may be needed in there though getting Connolly back with his versatilty to play in a back 3, right back in a 4 or as defensive midfielder allows us to balance an injury where necessary We then have terrific options across the 3 with Barry and Diamond able to invert off the left and Fevrier and Bailey and possibly Diamond who looks like can play off either side reasonably well or playing them as natural wingers if we need to stretch the pitch Then have Collar higher to make those high volumes of runs beyond where he is so dangerous Players like Powell would be comfortable deeper or at the number 10 position, similarly a technician like Fiorini, Bailey perhaps could play as a 10 too but what we are these days is very well drilled in moving off shape and posing different problems to teams within a game Stretton is almost a utility forward that can play anywhere across front 4 positions, then up top got Wootton as a traditional point man to bring that 3 into play or Tanto who has a range of traits that allow him to play as a different type of striker in 4231 he's strong as an ox but would be more effective against teams that play back 3 where he can get in down sides and run channels and pull defenders away for our inverted wingers to exploit the space left by marking him If we get those forward and wide options all fit and firing we really are going to be a nightmare and always give ourselves opportunities to score with the pace and talent at our disposal With defensive injuries i'd look to remain a 4, the 3 would need Mingi, Horse and Pye all fit to work to its optimal as Hughes has looked too slow play anywhere but middle of a 3 to me, naturally at min that would mean have to play Fevrier at RWB if we moved Mingi inside We've done well to recruit a range of traits and different characteristics in squad that will give us a Plan B, C and D within a game, lets just hope we can keep enough bodies fit and get some back to really bulk out those options It is credit to Chally how much he has come on as a manager. Going back to the Barrow first game of the season, was criticised (rightly) for waiting too long to make changes in game including the use of his subs. He also didn’t seem to have a Plan B when his (very good but not infallible) Plan A wasn’t working. Fast forward to now and we have a very fluid team with the ball and are able to tweak things in game. Chally isn’t dogmatic about things either, if something isn’t working he recognises it and stops doing it (Touray LCB a good example). His use of subs also vastly improved. He has for. As a manager with the club and risen to the challenges each higher division has posed. I will stick my neck out and say he will take us up this year and get poached by one of the big boys in the Championship. I would like to like this comment but couldn't bring myself to with the final paragraph. I'd accept DC being poached for back to back promotion! Personally, it's far too early to make any projections yet for me. I was thinking about this other day. When was the last time we had a player poached? Someone that we really wanted to keep but the money / bigger club was too much of a pull. Ignoring youth players, Arthur? And before then the likes of Duxbury and Lloyd? I'm probably missing someone obvious. If someone like Bate, Tanto or Pye has an amazing season and we stay in L1, there could be some serious interest. For so long, we've been a big fish in a small pond but we aren't now. Of course, we want to keep on to our best players but do we also want to let them leave for the right opportunity and price too to encourage more young talent to join us? So like Brentford and Brighton do in the EPL?
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Post by countyingermany on Aug 20, 2024 11:33:56 GMT
Found his comments after the weekend interesting something along the lines of 'I wouldn't normally say this but told them to focus on how they play not the result' Told me that yes he wants to play good attacking entertaining football but not at the expense of results which is a trap a lot of modern managers fall into, the amount of teams that play pretty football but end up not achieving things - Notts County the best example - in 20 years time we're going to remember what we've won not the way we played out of the back I interpreted that as a way to try to improve the result. As DC said, we were playing too safe and direct when our recruitment has focused on ball players in the middle of the park to release our attacking talents. So he was trying to take away the fear and make us play better football but only because it was our best chance of a result. I agree but I don't think he'll be scared of mixing it up against certain opposition we might be struggling with - we've seen two long ball goals via Addai already - I like the fact he's got a way of doing things but we're not wedded to it
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Post by palmersears on Aug 20, 2024 12:59:41 GMT
It is credit to Chally how much he has come on as a manager. Going back to the Barrow first game of the season, was criticised (rightly) for waiting too long to make changes in game including the use of his subs. He also didn’t seem to have a Plan B when his (very good but not infallible) Plan A wasn’t working. Fast forward to now and we have a very fluid team with the ball and are able to tweak things in game. Chally isn’t dogmatic about things either, if something isn’t working he recognises it and stops doing it (Touray LCB a good example). His use of subs also vastly improved. He has for. As a manager with the club and risen to the challenges each higher division has posed. I will stick my neck out and say he will take us up this year and get poached by one of the big boys in the Championship. I would like to like this comment but couldn't bring myself to with the final paragraph. I'd accept DC being poached for back to back promotion! Personally, it's far too early to make any projections yet for me. I was thinking about this other day. When was the last time we had a player poached? Someone that we really wanted to keep but the money / bigger club was too much of a pull. Ignoring youth players, Arthur? And before then the likes of Duxbury and Lloyd? I'm probably missing someone obvious. If someone like Bate, Tanto or Pye has an amazing season and we stay in L1, there could be some serious interest. For so long, we've been a big fish in a small pond but we aren't now. Of course, we want to keep on to our best players but do we also want to let them leave for the right opportunity and price too to encourage more young talent to join us? So like Brentford and Brighton do in the EPL? It's no secret we're looking to become less reliant on Stott bankrolling everything. It's been a deliberate shift to younger players with more potential for growth, both as players and 'assets.' We'll need to prepare ourselves for potentially seeing Pye, Bate, Tanto etc depart, all be it the blow will be softened by hopefully receiving substantial fees for them which we then reinvest in the squad. Peterborough are perhaps the best example of what we're aiming for.
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Post by countyingermany on Aug 20, 2024 13:11:17 GMT
I would like to like this comment but couldn't bring myself to with the final paragraph. I'd accept DC being poached for back to back promotion! Personally, it's far too early to make any projections yet for me. I was thinking about this other day. When was the last time we had a player poached? Someone that we really wanted to keep but the money / bigger club was too much of a pull. Ignoring youth players, Arthur? And before then the likes of Duxbury and Lloyd? I'm probably missing someone obvious. If someone like Bate, Tanto or Pye has an amazing season and we stay in L1, there could be some serious interest. For so long, we've been a big fish in a small pond but we aren't now. Of course, we want to keep on to our best players but do we also want to let them leave for the right opportunity and price too to encourage more young talent to join us? So like Brentford and Brighton do in the EPL? It's no secret we're looking to become less reliant on Stott bankrolling everything. It's been a deliberate shift to younger players with more potential for growth, both as players and 'assets.' We'll need to prepare ourselves for potentially seeing Pye, Bate, Tanto etc depart, all be it the blow will be softened by hopefully receiving substantial fees for them which we then reinvest in the squad. Peterborough are perhaps the best example of what we're aiming for. Possibly but on a grander scale, can't see Stott being happy bouncing between the champ and L1...I'd look at something between what Brighton/Brentford do and what Peterborough do
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Post by palmersears on Aug 20, 2024 13:16:23 GMT
It's no secret we're looking to become less reliant on Stott bankrolling everything. It's been a deliberate shift to younger players with more potential for growth, both as players and 'assets.' We'll need to prepare ourselves for potentially seeing Pye, Bate, Tanto etc depart, all be it the blow will be softened by hopefully receiving substantial fees for them which we then reinvest in the squad. Peterborough are perhaps the best example of what we're aiming for. Possibly but on a grander scale, can't see Stott being happy bouncing between the champ and L1...I'd look at something between what Brighton/Brentford do and what Peterborough do Yeah I think a better version of Peterborough or a lesser version of Brighton is probably the aim. Although I remain convinced Stott wants a shot at the Premier League at some point, so who knows, could become the latter in time.
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Post by ancienthatter on Aug 20, 2024 15:22:03 GMT
Possibly but on a grander scale, can't see Stott being happy bouncing between the champ and L1...I'd look at something between what Brighton/Brentford do and what Peterborough do Yeah I think a better version of Peterborough or a lesser version of Brighton is probably the aim. Although I remain convinced Stott wants a shot at the Premier League at some point, so who knows, could become the latter in time. There’s no reason why we can’t be the next Bournemouth or Brentford. Stott might need to bring in additional investors but I suspect he’ll move in the right circles.
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Post by desmond on Aug 20, 2024 15:26:13 GMT
Possibly but on a grander scale, can't see Stott being happy bouncing between the champ and L1...I'd look at something between what Brighton/Brentford do and what Peterborough do Yeah I think a better version of Peterborough or a lesser version of Brighton is probably the aim. Although I remain convinced Stott wants a shot at the Premier League at some point, so who knows, could become the latter in time. I’ll take reaching the championship and then go from there. Would be great to reach that level again, anything more would be a huge bonus.
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Post by scfc29 on Aug 20, 2024 17:40:59 GMT
Yeah I think a better version of Peterborough or a lesser version of Brighton is probably the aim. Although I remain convinced Stott wants a shot at the Premier League at some point, so who knows, could become the latter in time. There’s no reason why we can’t be the next Bournemouth or Brentford. Stott might need to bring in additional investors but I suspect he’ll move in the right circles. I think we might have missed the boat in that regard. The financial gap between the premier league and even the promoted teams coming up from the championship is huge. My hot take for what it’s worth… the inevitable super league will happen in the coming years, the ‘big 6’ will go off into Europe and over time we’ll end up settling as a team mainly in the ‘new’ championship, a few seasons in the ‘new’ premier league and if we struggle back down to league 1. I’d be rather happy with that.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 20, 2024 18:08:53 GMT
There’s no reason why we can’t be the next Bournemouth or Brentford. Stott might need to bring in additional investors but I suspect he’ll move in the right circles. I think we might have missed the boat in that regard. The financial gap between the premier league and even the promoted teams coming up from the championship is huge. My hot take for what it’s worth… the inevitable super league will happen in the coming years, the ‘big 6’ will go off into Europe and over time we’ll end up settling as a team mainly in the ‘new’ championship, a few seasons in the ‘new’ premier league and if we struggle back down to league 1. I’d be rather happy with that. Notwithstanding me still just just being happy County’s in the football league, I’ll gladly see the back of the almost SPL-like lack of jeopardy over which teams will finish runners-up behind Citeh every season…
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 20, 2024 18:23:32 GMT
The big clubs aren’t going to leave the Prem, there’s far too much money in it, they want guaranteed Euro cash without having to worry about inconveniences like qualifying or getting knocked out of competitions.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 20, 2024 19:13:43 GMT
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Post by 3330 on Aug 20, 2024 19:42:36 GMT
I think we might have missed the boat in that regard. The financial gap between the premier league and even the promoted teams coming up from the championship is huge. My hot take for what it’s worth… the inevitable super league will happen in the coming years, the ‘big 6’ will go off into Europe and over time we’ll end up settling as a team mainly in the ‘new’ championship, a few seasons in the ‘new’ premier league and if we struggle back down to league 1. I’d be rather happy with that. Notwithstanding me still just just being happy County’s in the football league, I’ll gladly see the back of the almost SPL-like lack of jeopardy over which teams will finish runners-up behind Citeh every season… In the 90s getting to the 1st division playoffs felt like a natural position for County...after admin,non league and now the mark stott era... mid table EFL1 feels like our default place ...given the refurbishment of EP extra fans, and income who knows where we will end up But if you look at the size of the clubs in the championship just staying in that division would be a mammoth task but the dream of getting back into it is real... fantastic... Would you have it any other way
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 20, 2024 19:56:20 GMT
Hard to argue with that and I'm glad we've got 3 players in there and Touray and Ben got recognition. Still think Touray had a patchy season though when played out of position but has finished and started this season strong. Injuries and the performance of the Notts lads make it difficult but Tanto, Madden and Sarcevic should have all been in with a shout for the attacking slots. p.s. It would be a hilarious team to watch. Basically 4-0-6.
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