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Post by alkringtonhatter on Apr 1, 2023 21:04:54 GMT
I see we didn’t win, so we’re two steps away from Stott selling up. Maybe take the rest of the weekend off, lads?
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Post by Chris B - Prog collector on Apr 1, 2023 21:57:20 GMT
Just watched the Salford highlights via their commentary team. Quite fair to be honest. Anyone know what went on at the end with Stretton??
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Post by countybumpkin on Apr 2, 2023 0:13:21 GMT
How on Earth did that idiot not give a penalty for handball at the beginning? Why do some referees seem to have a mindset of, “I can’t give a penalty now, it’s way too early in the game”. It was absolutely blatant. Absolute joke. And why do you never see a liner give a penalty these days? What are they there for?
Having said that, we might well have missed it anyway.
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Post by malc on Apr 2, 2023 4:21:31 GMT
How on Earth did that idiot not give a penalty for handball at the beginning? Why do some referees seem to have a mindset of, “I can’t give a penalty now, it’s way too early in the game”. It was absolutely blatant. Absolute joke. And why do you never see a liner give a penalty these days? What are they there for? Having said that, we might well have missed it anyway. He didn't give it because it was deemed a "ball to hand" at real time speed but VAR would have given us a pen. And Paddy wouldn't miss back to back penners. Fine margins but that's the game and why I'm actually a fan of VAR.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 2, 2023 8:03:01 GMT
No problem whatsoever with fans of other clubs coming to watch us, saw a lad there last night who I worked with for years who is a fervent City fan, he was enjoying it & I was happy to see him there, if he'd been wearing a City shirt though I'd of thought he was taking the piss. Fair point on the shirt wearing - I'd just hope that if any such attendee did that as a genuine error, they'd be quietly told it's not appropriate, rather than any sort of aggression taking place.
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Post by JPower on Apr 2, 2023 8:04:08 GMT
Just watched the Salford highlights via their commentary team. Quite fair to be honest. Anyone know what went on at the end with Stretton?? Is that the 3rd time its kicked off with Stretton at full time? Looks to have a bit of a temper on him.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Apr 2, 2023 8:26:43 GMT
Just watched the Salford highlights via their commentary team. Quite fair to be honest. Anyone know what went on at the end with Stretton?? Is that the 3rd time its kicked off with Stretton at full time? Looks to have a bit of a temper on him. I mentioned this in a previous post. Wonder if he's frustrated at how he's playing. And perhaps even the level he's playing at. He was held in high esteem at Derby at one time. Perhaps injuries have taken their toll. Don't remember this side of him when he was first here. Hopefully he can get through it.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 2, 2023 9:28:44 GMT
That's my biggest concern Advent, that Mark Stott will eventually F-off, because the effort he's put in to making the club isn't reciprocated by the supporters who: 1. want to have their freedom to sit / stand at the back of LT1 - and therefore don't like people wanting to sit in their allocated seats (do we think Stott would accept booking Theatre Tickets for his Mrs and they not be allowed to sit in the seats they booked??) 2. slag off the potential wider circle of supporters we might attract (e.g. we are a family of City fans but we can't get tickets and want to see live Football, so lets go and watch County) 3. hate the fan that came along with his County fan mate and subconsciously had a City / United shirt on Might sound dramatic, but I really worry with Stott there will be a straw that breaks it at some point. I agreed with your original sentiment gibbo but can't agree with 2 out 3 of these points. 1, Dave Scofield summed Lt1 up perfectly the other day, we all get along, there's no moaning about seats & sitting, if you're a newcomer who gets a seat in that section & doesn't like it then buy a seat somewhere else next game, most ST holders in this section know what to expect. 3. any fan who goes to another club to watch in the home section wearing another teams shirt with a complete disregard of any historical dislike whether based on geography or footballing rivalry needs to give their head a wobble, football by it's very nature is tribal, always has been always will be, doesn't mean we have to knock 7 bells out of each other but there should always be respect of the surroundings & people who frequent there. Would you seriously expect a West ham supporting friend of a Millwall fan to be able to sit in the den wearing a West Ham shirt? No different with us, & I wouldn't wear a County shirt if i was going to Old trafford or the Ethiad with respective friends, people that do that are just weird & potentially asking for trouble. No problem whatsoever with fans of other clubs coming to watch us, saw a lad there last night who I worked with for years who is a fervent City fan, he was enjoying it & I was happy to see him there, if he'd been wearing a City shirt though I'd of thought he was taking the piss. Its an easily resolved issue where fans with the colours showing of any other team are refused admission to the ground. Away fans are not allowed in the home end and vice versa. Ok we have all attended our games as neutrals for one reason or other but not with a County shirt or scarf on us. Its not like going to say a church but you are dealing with emotive fans and some worse for wear with drink or drugs who could quite easily kick off and given the opportunity of going so. Who would really be to blame.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 2, 2023 9:36:24 GMT
How on Earth did that idiot not give a penalty for handball at the beginning? Why do some referees seem to have a mindset of, “I can’t give a penalty now, it’s way too early in the game”. It was absolutely blatant. Absolute joke. And why do you never see a liner give a penalty these days? What are they there for? Having said that, we might well have missed it anyway. Well it was less than a week after our penalty and sending off at swindon. For me we see too many handball incidents being given. What do you actually do with your arms and hands anyway. Tie em to your body and shove the hands down your shorts. Thought like usual he had a poor game overall but was right in that case. As for lino,s you need to be in the officials changing room to hear what the refs instructions to the lino,s actually are. Some just want ball in and out of play whilst others want total involvement from them and others somewhere inbetween. We always have to remember what our feelings would be if the incident was against us and not always for us.
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Post by countybumpkin on Apr 2, 2023 10:29:18 GMT
How on Earth did that idiot not give a penalty for handball at the beginning? Why do some referees seem to have a mindset of, “I can’t give a penalty now, it’s way too early in the game”. It was absolutely blatant. Absolute joke. And why do you never see a liner give a penalty these days? What are they there for? Having said that, we might well have missed it anyway. Well it was less than a week after our penalty and sending off at swindon. For me we see too many handball incidents being given. What do you actually do with your arms and hands anyway. Tie em to your body and shove the hands down your shorts. Thought like usual he had a poor game overall but was right in that case. As for lino,s you need to be in the officials changing room to hear what the refs instructions to the lino,s actually are. Some just want ball in and out of play whilst others want total involvement from them and others somewhere inbetween. We always have to remember what our feelings would be if the incident was against us and not always for us. I obviously never want a pen to be given against us but would’ve had no complaints if that one had been. Aren’t liners called ‘assistant referees’ these days, as in ‘there to assist the referee get decisions right’. I find it ludicrous that before a game, the ref tells the liners, “If you deem an incident to be a penalty, don’t, whatever you do, put your flag up to your chest as it might undermine my authority”. If that kind of conversation goes on, it’s just plain wrong and potentially corrupt. Regarding last week, I did say ‘some referees’.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 2, 2023 10:38:27 GMT
I obviously never want a pen to be given against us but would’ve had no complaints if that one had been. Aren’t liners called ‘assistant referees’ these days, as in ‘there to assist the referee get decisions right’. I find it ludicrous that before a game, the ref tells the liners, “If you deem an incident to be a penalty, don’t, whatever you do, put your flag up to your chest as it might undermine my authority”. If that kind of conversation goes on, it’s just plain wrong and potentially corrupt. Regarding last week, I did say ‘some referees’. Agree about assistants having their roles written in stone and not at the whims of who is in the middle. Did quite a bit of assistant refs role and prefered the type who gave you free reign to the ones that wanted you to be a club linesman for the day but never told the benches you were told to act that way. Flatler refused to out out again with one who used me as a buffer between the benches and him and lets say there were more than a few words after the game.
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Post by voodooray on Apr 3, 2023 8:18:48 GMT
I enjoyed Friday night over in Popside. Shame we couldn't get the 3 points. Queues at the food kiosks were ridiculous.
Fortunately where I'm sat I've not experienced or witnessed many of the annoying 'fan' behaviours mentioned in this thread. Yep, I've seen hats, shirts and scarves of other teams this season - the Mancs, Wolves, Villa ... That's not good. And I can only think that these people are arrogant tossbags or just simply armchair fans ignorant of match-going etiquette. 'I'm at the football, I'll wear something football related.' It's simple: don't wear colours of another team, especially not the Mancs, in the home sections of EP. That applies to all grounds.
A couple of times I've had daytrippers/guests nearby talking about 'City' or Liverpool. It's shit. It's condescending.
I guess there's a variety of new fans. Some will be parents who might support another team, getting their kid into County, wanting their kid to experience a 'proper' match experience as opposed to being an armchair consumer. There will be those sick of the Prem rat-race. Others who have moved into the area and started going. There will be families. Others might be renewing a lapsed interest. As long as all get behind the team, or at the very least show show respect, that's fine.
The other point is that as crowds grow, then it's important that fans who sing and stand (essential) are not mixed in with newer, more sedate fans.
It's the clearly disinterested daytrippers who are really annoying. The ones who wear the colours of another team. The ones who talk about the Prem or City or Man U all through the game.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 4, 2023 10:19:46 GMT
It always makes me wonder though why football needs to be as tribal as it is. So you are firstly a fan of the game and then split up into a fan of the different clubs about. Usually its an act of geography or place of birth that causes this so really its accidental. We have more in common with each other than we have not and all with similar wishes. I would never dream of going into any end with another sides colour on, but is this the ideal situation to live in. Over the last few years we have become more tolerant and rightly so, however why does football and other team sports have to lag behind in this. Remember the bloke you bump into on holiday with say a grimsby shirt on. He aint got two heads and you enjoy the natter on football easily over a pint ot two.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 4, 2023 10:53:37 GMT
It always makes me wonder though why football needs to be as tribal as it is. So you are firstly a fan of the game and then split up into a fan of the different clubs about. Usually it’s an act of geography or place of birth that causes this so really it’s accidental. We have more in common with each other than we have not and all with similar wishes. I would never dream of going into any end with another sides colour on, but is this the ideal situation to live in. Over the last few years we have become more tolerant and rightly so, however why does football and other team sports have to lag behind in this. Remember the bloke you bump into on holiday with say a grimsby shirt on. He aint got two heads and you enjoy the natter on football easily over a pint ot two. I remember my old man having a copy of the original. My interest in football in those days was more about collecting Panini than going to Il Tardini, so I can’t say I’ve read it myself: thesetpieces.com/interviews/return-soccer-tribe-conversation-author-desmond-morris/
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Post by voodooray on Apr 4, 2023 12:38:04 GMT
It always makes me wonder though why football needs to be as tribal as it is. So you are firstly a fan of the game and then split up into a fan of the different clubs about. Usually its an act of geography or place of birth that causes this so really its accidental. We have more in common with each other than we have not and all with similar wishes. I would never dream of going into any end with another sides colour on, but is this the ideal situation to live in. Over the last few years we have become more tolerant and rightly so, however why does football and other team sports have to lag behind in this. Remember the bloke you bump into on holiday with say a grimsby shirt on. He aint got two heads and you enjoy the natter on football easily over a pint ot two. That's a fair point. Outside a football ground I'll happily chat to a supporter of another team, get their perspective on how things are going. Especially if it's not a big Prem club. Was chatting to a Sheff Weds fan the other day. Decent bloke who was interested to hear about County. However, I guess it depends on the fan. Those who sit in a grounds home end wearing colours of another team clearly don't get it. And is tribalism all that bad? Surely that's part of the excitement? The sense of belonging, being part of something bigger. Being part of a tradition. I don't mean tedious bantz or cruel, taunting chants - I simply mean that feeling of being immersed in the moment, of everyone wanting the same thing, everyone linked by their support for the team. That vibe is weakened if you've got lots of non-committed spectators or disinterested neutrals in the crowd.
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