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Post by redhatter on Aug 27, 2023 13:02:24 GMT
We need to look at the whole structure of the football management from the Director of Football downwards.
Sacking Dave Challinor isn't going to solve the problem.
We're spending vast amounts of money and getting a very poor return on investment.
Something isn't right. This goes way beyond Challinor
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Post by David Schofield on Aug 27, 2023 13:09:35 GMT
We need to look at the whole structure of the football management from the Director of Football downwards. Sacking Dave Challinor isn't going to solve the problem. We're spending vast amounts of money and getting a very poor return on investment. Something isn't right. This goes way beyond Challinor 100% |
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Post by tgttiw on Aug 27, 2023 13:25:37 GMT
We need to look at the whole structure of the football management from the Director of Football downwards. Sacking Dave Challinor isn't going to solve the problem. We're spending vast amounts of money and getting a very poor return on investment. Something isn't right. This goes way beyond Challinor It's this dressing room daddies nonsense. Jim was always at pains to point out parity in wage structure. It means that if a transfer/ player fails it didn't build resentment in the squad. The problem with the daddies model is that it doesn't work if the player isn't doing very well. It demotivates the lower paid players. Eg Croasdale look at me doing all this work and camp he's getting double to sit on his arse. I've always been a bit uncomfortable with the spending. No problem with infrastructure but Jim and other managers could have achieved what we've done on less. But it still is really days yet and we have loads of injuries and some players are coming back from injuries and we've only lost by single goals. |
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Post by Philcounty on Aug 27, 2023 13:26:31 GMT
We need to look at the whole structure of the football management from the Director of Football downwards. Sacking Dave Challinor isn't going to solve the problem. We're spending vast amounts of money and getting a very poor return on investment. Something isn't right. This goes way beyond Challinor 100% Also agree but unfortunately the DOF has been untouchable so far. Surely, if they end up sacking DCh so soon after renewing his contract, Stott will have to start questioning his faith in Wilson. |
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Post by sherbertdab on Aug 27, 2023 14:11:43 GMT
This isn’t a slow start
This isn’t something changed by new signings
Paddy 32 and in a slight decline, Collar permanently? 85% and Wooton out were all known about months ago
We have played bang average with some players clearly not good enough to fit our aspirations
We need a review and a fresh approach. No point putting it off
DC and his team look as though they have come to the ceiling of their ability.
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Post by HTC on Aug 27, 2023 14:26:11 GMT
With DC, I think it’s as much that the football has been really dull for over a year now, as much as the current underperformance.
We’ve such an expensive (if poorly assembled) squad, that we should be getting a bit more entertainment.
Regression to the mean will lead to results picking up before too long, but it’ll still be boring 1-0 / 0-0 football anyway.
He goes with great thanks for getting us back in the league, a fantastic National League manager, but hasn’t really grown into league two football unfortunately, and shows no signs of being able to do so.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 27, 2023 15:23:41 GMT
With DC, I think it’s as much that the football has been really dull for over a year now, as much as the current underperformance. We’ve such an expensive (if poorly assembled) squad, that we should be getting a bit more entertainment. Regression to the mean will lead to results picking up before too long, but it’ll still be boring 1-0 / 0-0 football anyway. He goes with great thanks for getting us back in the league, a fantastic National League manager, but hasn’t really grown into league two football unfortunately, and shows no signs of being able to do so. challinor is the type of manager where he's done it all in non league and should be trying to become a manager that's done it all on the efl (league 2 league 1 level) I think for him to do that though he needs to be at somewhere where there is no expectation to get promoted and doesn't have a huge budget he needs to learn the league 2 game and work on his substitution side of the game because right now it's wait until 10 minutes to go and then make subs for the sake of it. There's no idea of to why he's making subs they just happen and they happen too late |
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Post by Chris B - Prog collector on Aug 27, 2023 16:53:39 GMT
My take FWIW...
This is the manager that turned us around in the NL from 10th to Champs. He then led us to a PO final.
He has only failed in 1 season at Fylde where they were struggling. Every other season he has had a challenging team..
Also we are just 5 games in!
However..
The recruitment and players are irrelevant to a point as we play 1 way. Short from Ben. Across the back 3 then to a Wing back. Play around and try and get a decent cross in for a striker. With that way we obviously miss Kyle Wooton. People mocked me when i asked why we got rid of Scott Quigley!? We miss a focal point with this way of playing...
As an experienced manager i do expect better subs and tactical choices especially when under the cosh. I wasnt there at Mansfield however if we were getting over ran, why did we not go to a 4-1-4-1 and smother the midfield??
We need a plan B and its hard to believe there isnt one between Dave, Clint, Dave Conlon and Jake Simpson..
Thoughts??
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Aug 27, 2023 17:00:20 GMT
My take FWIW... This is the manager that turned us around in the NL from 10th to Champs. He then led us to a PO final. He has only failed in 1 season at Fylde where they were struggling. Every other season he has had a challenging team.. Also we are just 5 games in! However.. The recruitment and players are irrelevant to a point as we play 1 way. Short from Ben. Across the back 3 then to a Wing back. Play around and try and get a decent cross in for a striker. With that way we obviously miss Kyle Wooton. People mocked me when i asked why we got rid of Scott Quigley!? We miss a focal point with this way of playing... As an experienced manager i do expect better subs and tactical choices especially when under the cosh. I wasnt there at Mansfield however if we were getting over ran, why did we not go to a 4-1-4-1 and smother the midfield?? We need a plan B and its hard to believe there isnt one between Dave, Clint, Dave Conlon and Jake Simpson.. Thoughts?? Nobody was saying we don't need a focal point. They were saying Quigley isn't the answer. He had one good month for us and that's it. |
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Post by Chris B - Prog collector on Aug 27, 2023 17:12:11 GMT
My take FWIW... This is the manager that turned us around in the NL from 10th to Champs. He then led us to a PO final. He has only failed in 1 season at Fylde where they were struggling. Every other season he has had a challenging team.. Also we are just 5 games in! However.. The recruitment and players are irrelevant to a point as we play 1 way. Short from Ben. Across the back 3 then to a Wing back. Play around and try and get a decent cross in for a striker. With that way we obviously miss Kyle Wooton. People mocked me when i asked why we got rid of Scott Quigley!? We miss a focal point with this way of playing... As an experienced manager i do expect better subs and tactical choices especially when under the cosh. I wasnt there at Mansfield however if we were getting over ran, why did we not go to a 4-1-4-1 and smother the midfield?? We need a plan B and its hard to believe there isnt one between Dave, Clint, Dave Conlon and Jake Simpson.. Thoughts?? Nobody was saying we don't need a focal point. They were saying Quigley isn't the answer. He had one good month for us and that's it. I disagree. I thought he did the job he was asked to do. Like i said, its all about opinions and ultimately its DC's |
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Post by Nik on Aug 27, 2023 17:24:44 GMT
Nobody was saying we don't need a focal point. They were saying Quigley isn't the answer. He had one good month for us and that's it. I disagree. I thought he did the job he was asked to do. Like i said, its all about opinions and ultimately its DC's And DC decided Quigley wasn't good enough. |
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Post by suedehead on Aug 27, 2023 17:31:29 GMT
I disagree. I thought he did the job he was asked to do. Like i said, its all about opinions and ultimately its DC's And DC decided Quigley wasn't good enough. Yep, he was nowhere near good enough. A great six weeks masks 18 months of being injured/an absolute liability. |
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Post by Chris B - Prog collector on Aug 27, 2023 17:51:24 GMT
And DC decided Quigley wasn't good enough. Yep, he was nowhere near good enough. A great six weeks masks 18 months of being injured/an absolute liability. Poor Quigs! :-) |
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Post by vicar on Aug 27, 2023 18:25:24 GMT
My take FWIW... This is the manager that turned us around in the NL from 10th to Champs. He then led us to a PO final. He has only failed in 1 season at Fylde where they were struggling. Every other season he has had a challenging team.. Also we are just 5 games in! However.. The recruitment and players are irrelevant to a point as we play 1 way. Short from Ben. Across the back 3 then to a Wing back. Play around and try and get a decent cross in for a striker. With that way we obviously miss Kyle Wooton. People mocked me when i asked why we got rid of Scott Quigley!? We miss a focal point with this way of playing... As an experienced manager i do expect better subs and tactical choices especially when under the cosh. I wasnt there at Mansfield however if we were getting over ran, why did we not go to a 4-1-4-1 and smother the midfield?? We need a plan B and its hard to believe there isnt one between Dave, Clint, Dave Conlon and Jake Simpson.. Thoughts?? I much prefer a back 3 to a back 4 but with the players we have I think a 4 might be better, KK; Horsfall, Pye and Touray would probably work better as a 4. |
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Post by HTC on Aug 27, 2023 18:33:56 GMT
The error was not really trying the back 4 pre-season. The players we have sen best suited for that lineup, but we should have investigated properly before Byrne was injured and Lewis went on loan
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