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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2023 18:10:15 GMT
Have to say that £93k per week loss amount has, to state a Gibboism, "rocked me".
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2023 18:12:04 GMT
That year was a covid year so always bound to lose money and since that year we've probably spent the same amount of money on transfers over a couple of seasons This year we spent 50 to 75k on Lewis and that was it transfer fee wise. No it wasn't. We were out by then. 21-22 was our promotion year.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2023 18:19:31 GMT
I bet he will if we're not challenging for the title this season. And that's when we'll likely see the next set of significant changes coming - Challinor likely going and maybe even Wilson following. That's a bit different though than him deciding "I want out", which is some of the concern that seems to be about at the moment. He's surely sensible enough to know that it's not all going to be plain sailing when it comes to a Football Club? There are all manner of "outs" and people are naive if they think the only one is "I want out". There's bugger all any of us can do about it so we may as well enjoy the ride. These kind of losses in any kind of business, football included, end only one way. Furthermore, we've lost any level of moral ground we ever felt we had about the likes of Wrexham, City, Salford and so forth. We're a different club than the Stockport County we all know and love now.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2023 18:23:07 GMT
I bet he will if we're not challenging for the title this season. If he does feel that way he should never have got into football club ownership at all. There is no guarentee of success even if we had spent double on what we have done, employeed a magician as manager and have our own private health clinic dealing with players injuries with the top medics from across the world in charge. Then there is the fact of another 23 teams wanting their success and doing the best to stop others having it. You speak like there's no "other way". Frig me mate. He could have come in and started investing modest sums of money with a view to taking us up more slowly instead of piling in like a rabied Lottery winner in Argos and throwing the kinds of money at it that are frankly just mental. That's yer other way.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2023 18:25:26 GMT
I think the positive spin on it is that there's also an 'in between' option.
Stott can reduce the spending to the sort of level that enables the club to wash its face, and accepts us being a club that bounces between the 3rd/4th tier with a loyal base of legacy fans, rather than going all out for the Reading (northwest version) club he seemed to be aiming for initially.
Good post HTC, and I think the majority would also be happy with that. The person that probably doesn't want that though is Stott, and he's the man that's currently willing to lose all this money helping us get to that aim of the Championship. In that respect, I'm not really concerned about the financial losses as presumably Stott is happy to accept that's what is need to get us to the Championship (sooner rather than later). You're not concerned by a £93m per week loss but "rocked" by being called a dickhead? Zoiks.
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Post by vicar on Aug 29, 2023 18:43:11 GMT
Good post HTC, and I think the majority would also be happy with that. The person that probably doesn't want that though is Stott, and he's the man that's currently willing to lose all this money helping us get to that aim of the Championship. In that respect, I'm not really concerned about the financial losses as presumably Stott is happy to accept that's what is need to get us to the Championship (sooner rather than later). Your not concerned by a £93m per week loss but your "rocked" by being called a dickhead. Zoiks. I think even City would be worried by £93m a week loss.
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Post by hghatter123 on Aug 29, 2023 19:20:38 GMT
And that's when we'll likely see the next set of significant changes coming - Challinor likely going and maybe even Wilson following. That's a bit different though than him deciding "I want out", which is some of the concern that seems to be about at the moment. He's surely sensible enough to know that it's not all going to be plain sailing when it comes to a Football Club? There are all manner of "outs" and people are naive if they think the only one is "I want out". There's bugger all any of us can do about it so we may as well enjoy the ride. These kind of losses in any kind of business, football included, end only one way. Furthermore, we've lost any level of moral ground we ever felt we had about the likes of Wrexham, City, Salford and so forth. We're a different club than the Stockport County we all know and love now. Agreed. The last sentence is what makes people feel uncomfortable as they know it to be true but don’t want to admit it. In my opinion of course
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Post by vicar on Aug 29, 2023 19:25:22 GMT
And that's when we'll likely see the next set of significant changes coming - Challinor likely going and maybe even Wilson following. That's a bit different though than him deciding "I want out", which is some of the concern that seems to be about at the moment. He's surely sensible enough to know that it's not all going to be plain sailing when it comes to a Football Club? There are all manner of "outs" and people are naive if they think the only one is "I want out". There's bugger all any of us can do about it so we may as well enjoy the ride. These kind of losses in any kind of business, football included, end only one way. Furthermore, we've lost any level of moral ground we ever felt we had about the likes of Wrexham, City, Salford and so forth. We're a different club than the Stockport County we all know and love now. Thats how I feel about it now, when we had Richard Park in charge and he was trying to get the club on a sustainable footing with Gary Burton looking for loose change in the stands after a match I felt we could do something about things, we had the players fund and HTH and Co-op events, the sums are so staggering now that we can't make a difference or influence anything either way so I'll just enjoy watching Paddy rather than Bobby Lofthouse.
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Post by Imposter on Aug 29, 2023 19:35:21 GMT
And that's when we'll likely see the next set of significant changes coming - Challinor likely going and maybe even Wilson following. That's a bit different though than him deciding "I want out", which is some of the concern that seems to be about at the moment. He's surely sensible enough to know that it's not all going to be plain sailing when it comes to a Football Club? There are all manner of "outs" and people are naive if they think the only one is "I want out". There's bugger all any of us can do about it so we may as well enjoy the ride. These kind of losses in any kind of business, football included, end only one way. Furthermore, we've lost any level of moral ground we ever felt we had about the likes of Wrexham, City, Salford and so forth. We're a different club than the Stockport County we all know and love now. Oh I think we can still claim moral high ground over City and their two seta of human rights abusers.
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Post by trickster on Aug 29, 2023 19:37:43 GMT
If he does feel that way he should never have got into football club ownership at all. There is no guarentee of success even if we had spent double on what we have done, employeed a magician as manager and have our own private health clinic dealing with players injuries with the top medics from across the world in charge. Then there is the fact of another 23 teams wanting their success and doing the best to stop others having it. You speak like there's no "other way". Frig me mate. He could have come in and started investing modest sums of money with a view to taking us up more slowly instead of piling in like a rabied Lottery winner in Argos and throwing the kinds of money at it that are frankly just mental. That's yer other way. I think this is largely why I feel anxious rather than grateful at the moment. I feel like I've lost all perspective at times, complaining about signing Championship players on 8k a week when we were losing to Vauxhall Motors with a part time team as recently as we were. But it all feels irreversible and irretrievable now so when we commit to the best part of £1.5m in wages for a single player we desperately need them to be worth it and we need them to take us to a level where we might be attractive to a buyer if Stott wants out. We can't afford Wilson's repeated f*ck ups at this point, we have to get to the championship and we can't have summer after wasteful summer of shite signings that take us backwards and need mid-season rectification with yet more expenditure.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 29, 2023 19:40:59 GMT
And that's when we'll likely see the next set of significant changes coming - Challinor likely going and maybe even Wilson following. That's a bit different though than him deciding "I want out", which is some of the concern that seems to be about at the moment. He's surely sensible enough to know that it's not all going to be plain sailing when it comes to a Football Club? There are all manner of "outs" and people are naive if they think the only one is "I want out". There's bugger all any of us can do about it so we may as well enjoy the ride. These kind of losses in any kind of business, football included, end only one way. Furthermore, we've lost any level of moral ground we ever felt we had about the likes of Wrexham, City, Salford and so forth. We're a different club than the Stockport County we all know and love now. I am not disagreeing with your general thrust but you have got a bit lazy there lumping those clubs together IMVHO: - Salford: a nothing club backed by millionaire footballers and a billionaire from the Far East (who also bought Valencia) and are plugging massive losses - Citeh: sold their soul for petrodollars and are run by human rights abusers seeking to sports wash their crimes through tue bitters - Wrexham: have massively increased their income under Hollywood - the two guys May have put money in early doors but think they might have most of it back already
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Post by Durango95 on Aug 29, 2023 19:44:22 GMT
Grim reading this tbh. Kind of all seems a bit pointless really.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2023 20:42:10 GMT
Grim reading this tbh. Kind of all seems a bit pointless really. Be less grim if we were f*cking smashing the league apart. But, we currently look as likely to exit South as North (agree mind, far too early for that nonsense but we're beleaguered right now and it's hard to shake out of it). Sigh. Cheer up. We're too big to go down (imagine...jumping Jesus). Might be laughing at all this bed wetting come end of the season I hope.
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Post by scfc73 on Aug 29, 2023 23:28:42 GMT
There are all manner of "outs" and people are naive if they think the only one is "I want out". There's bugger all any of us can do about it so we may as well enjoy the ride. These kind of losses in any kind of business, football included, end only one way. Furthermore, we've lost any level of moral ground we ever felt we had about the likes of Wrexham, City, Salford and so forth. We're a different club than the Stockport County we all know and love now. I am not disagreeing with your general thrust but you have got a bit lazy there lumping those clubs together IMVHO: - Salford: a nothing club backed by millionaire footballers and a billionaire from the Far East (who also bought Valencia) and are plugging massive losses - Citeh: sold their soul for petrodollars and are run by human rights abusers seeking to sports wash their crimes through tue bitters - Wrexham: have massively increased their income under Hollywood - the two guys May have put money in early doors but think they might have most of it back already As much as I despise Wrexham (& it's not just the Hollywood thing, never liked 'em full stop) I can't knock the way they're now generating income beyond anyone in our division & probably the 2 above. Like you say they probably put an initial lump sum in to get started but off the back of their fame & the way they've marketed the club they're now pulling in serious money through sponsorship deals & the documentary thing plus shirt sales to their new overseas fan base.
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Post by pugwash on Aug 30, 2023 2:03:11 GMT
Don't forget Stockport being back in the EFL gives you £1 million a season from tv so £ 2 million the last 2 seasons, which will increase by £1 million next year, £2 million if you are promoted . Leaving £850 million split between 24 championship clubs under the new deal for television rights. Still a risk but much less so over the next few years.
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