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Post by gibbo on Apr 19, 2024 19:01:59 GMT
One of the few debates if not the only one where you didn’t have a dig at Lord Jim of Gannon - well done!🤣💥🥳 Yep, I've let myself down tonight Matty....
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 19, 2024 19:07:11 GMT
We have different preferences We don't, we have views at different stages of our lifecycles of support (dependent on age I assume), you're still in the: "we're lower League, I hate Premier League" position. I'm the: "we're all part of the same pyramid, lets achieve as much as possible"
I also doubt Stott is (within financial reason) ever going to put the handbrake on our progression. Have it right, if we go up next season (a stretch I know) he'll go all out for the Premier League within a couple of seasons. (he aint gonna say that just because Mozzer and Stranded don't like it then I don't want to be in the Premier League) Stop straw manning.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 19, 2024 19:09:03 GMT
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Apr 19, 2024 19:10:34 GMT
night before our big Champions Party and some people just love a good row/wind up.... let's all be County and enjoy these times
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Post by gibbo on Apr 19, 2024 19:15:28 GMT
night before our big Champions Party and some people just love a good row/wind up.... let's all be County and enjoy these times We are really not, nothing different than the debate I'll be having in Our Ladies pre-match with hopefully a load of old familiar faces (before we go celebrate at EP), its part of what being County is about.
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Post by slomasscfc on Apr 20, 2024 3:01:20 GMT
Wrexham getting lots of stick for not putting a statement out, probably cos the powers that be there have forgotten who they are and agree with scrapping them
Tbf its a lot of their fans the proper ones who are pissed off
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 7:23:41 GMT
Whether you shouldn't wasn't the argument though Stranded, currently you do get a Champions League place (a place in the best club competition in the world), so currently that Champions League place is more prestigious (whether you and Mozzer like it or not) than winning the FA Cup. Thing is the teams who enter the champions league will have won the FA Cup on multiply times in the past, so entering it with a decent opportunity to make a final and win it will excite their fans even more never mind add prestige to their club. Our problem is we have never played at the top level and how the game is going its doubtful we ever will. Think the average long term fan of the top premier league sides will look at situations much more different than we do. They are not all glory hunters but fans who pay more than we do to watch games and will have an equal distaste for the armchair fan who says they support their club but never go. We were different as well when we were in non league to the average guiseley fan who was happy with their lot at the time, but we were just a EFL club in waiting and most of us never bought into the non league scene.
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Post by voodooray on Apr 20, 2024 7:25:26 GMT
I would much rather see County win the FA or League Cup than finish 2nd in the Premier League. I doubt that would be the case if we got to that point. I'd take Champions League any day. Pretty sure Wigan fans wouldn't swap their FA Cup for a 2nd place in the Prem. And I think most supporters of teams who haven't won a cup ever (or not for a long time) would take that day of glory over being runners-up in top flight.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 7:28:12 GMT
The vast majority of teams (and I would also argue fans) have got no aspirations of getting in to the PL, nevermind winning it. They all dream of a good FA Cup run though. We are being dictated to by a tiny, tiny minority of teams. We, as the majority, should set the rules. If they don't like it, let them withdraw from the tournament. Majority of clubs maybe, but not the majority of fans who will be watching a game. The interesting one is the FA statement that all clubs agreed to this. A lie or the truth and if the truth how did the votes go.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 7:33:52 GMT
Wrexham getting lots of stick for not putting a statement out, probably cos the powers that be there have forgotten who they are and agree with scrapping them Tbf its a lot of their fans the proper ones who are pissed off Totally pointless them and others putting statements of disgust out if they have no intention of backing them with some sort of actions especially if that FA statement of full consultation was made across football. Mind you its just the same when the laws of the game get changed. Who decides that and are any clubs even those at the top of all the leagues get consulted about that.
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Post by Philcounty on Apr 20, 2024 7:53:55 GMT
Wrexham getting lots of stick for not putting a statement out, probably cos the powers that be there have forgotten who they are and agree with scrapping them Tbf its a lot of their fans the proper ones who are pissed off Their director, Shaun Harvey, was the CEO of the EFL so is probably friends with a lot of the people involved with the decision. He also proposed mid-week FA Cup games during his time in the previous role so had no issue with devaluing the competition. Their owners or newer fans probably don't really get the significance. As you say, a lot of their proper fans are being very vocal about it.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Apr 20, 2024 8:21:01 GMT
The vast majority of teams (and I would also argue fans) have got no aspirations of getting in to the PL, nevermind winning it. They all dream of a good FA Cup run though. We are being dictated to by a tiny, tiny minority of teams. We, as the majority, should set the rules. If they don't like it, let them withdraw from the tournament. Majority of clubs maybe, but not the majority of fans who will be watching a game. The interesting one is the FA statement that all clubs agreed to this. A lie or the truth and if the truth how did the votes go. I'd argue the majority of fans if you consider teams at all levels of the pyramid. Agree with you about how the votes went.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 8:22:41 GMT
Wrexham getting lots of stick for not putting a statement out, probably cos the powers that be there have forgotten who they are and agree with scrapping them Tbf its a lot of their fans the proper ones who are pissed off Their director, Shaun Harvey, was the CEO of the EFL so is probably friends with a lot of the people involved with the decision. He also proposed mid-week FA Cup games during his time in the previous role so had no issue with devaluing the competition. Their owners or newer fans probably don't really get the significance. As you say, a lot of their proper fans are being very vocal about it. Hope those fans who are being vocal about it are the ones who attend any FA Cup game they can and not the ones who will pick the big games only but will swerve one against what the feel is an inferior opponent.
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Post by bigmartin on Apr 20, 2024 9:10:11 GMT
I would much rather see County win the FA or League Cup than finish 2nd in the Premier League. I doubt that would be the case if we got to that point. I'd take Champions League any day. You'd take Champions League, which would be all but forgotten about 2 years down the line and which no-one outside County would give a toss about, to irrevocably placing ourselves into the annals of football history? Wow. Just, wow. I'll pithily say that I think you are possibly following the wrong kind of football club (only kidding).
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Post by voodooray on Apr 20, 2024 9:26:28 GMT
I doubt that would be the case if we got to that point. I'd take Champions League any day. You'd take Champions League, which would be all but forgotten about 2 years down the line and which no-one outside County would give a toss about, to irrevocably placing ourselves into the annals of football history? Wow. Just, wow. I'll pithily say that I think you are possibly following the wrong kind of football club (only kidding). Absolutely. What really pisses me off is when managersfield 'weakened' teams in the FA Cup, prioritising the league. First it was the big, rich clubs. Now virtually all teams do it. I can see why, if the team is chasing promotion or fighting relegation. But even so, it's a sad development. I hope Coventry win tomorrow. I would love it.
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