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Post by runtothehills on Apr 21, 2024 16:25:29 GMT
It's quite remarkable how bad utd are
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Post by countybumpkin on Apr 21, 2024 22:59:33 GMT
Just watched the end of MOTD and the very last sequence was about replays in years gone by….Crankshaw’s goal against Bolton finished it.
Please don’t let FA Cup replays die.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 22, 2024 7:40:23 GMT
What's your beef with Coventry? Maybe he got sent there once. Actually i was sent there every day between 1989 and 2003 as i worked there. Working with some of their fans got right up my nose as they thought moving to the ricoh was the start of a new era bringing euro trophies to the city. Mind you i wasn,t keen on them for years before as they over did the Sky Blue thing more than most did with their nickname and having jimmy hill involved with the club didn,t help being the instigator of stopping the maximum players wage which many lower league clubs suffered after.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 22, 2024 7:42:08 GMT
It's quite remarkable how bad utd are So bad that after 3 nil you,d have thought coventry were the premier league team.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 22, 2024 12:13:18 GMT
Maybe he got sent there once. Actually i was sent there every day between 1989 and 2003 as i worked there. Working with some of their fans got right up my nose as they thought moving to the ricoh was the start of a new era bringing euro trophies to the city. Mind you i wasn,t keen on them for years before as they over did the Sky Blue thing more than most did with their nickname and having jimmy hill involved with the club didn,t help being the instigator of stopping the maximum players wage which many lower league clubs suffered after. Stopping the maximum wage was an amazing legacy for the chinny wonder! Players were glorified serfs before then, being responsible for entertainment that was watched by millions yet paid absolute peanuts. You might argue that wages have gone too far the other way (although maybe use film stars and rock stars for a more accurate comparison with the top players) but the maximum wage was scandalous.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 22, 2024 12:27:30 GMT
I've got zero problem with the players being paid what they are, in the context of the players themselves. It's up to clubs themselves to manage their finances, but players have every right to negotiate the best deal they can for themselves. It's clearly quite stupid money to be paying people to play football and it also has a detrimental impact all the way down the game. But that is not the fault of players. The alternative, given the money sloshing around at the top end, is that club owners pocket the cash. Given that without the players, the owners have nothing, I'm much happier seeing the workers reaping the rewards of their efforts.
Another alternative is that all this cash is spread more evenly around the game itself in order to strengthen the game and protect its future, from the grassroots upwards. But that's just crazy talk. Isn't it?
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Post by canterbury on Apr 22, 2024 19:56:57 GMT
Just watched the end of MOTD and the very last sequence was about replays in years gone by….Crankshaw’s goal against Bolton finished it. Please don’t let FA Cup replays die. + Stuart Barlow scoring for Tranmere in the same montage.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Apr 22, 2024 20:04:22 GMT
Just watched the end of MOTD and the very last sequence was about replays in years gone by….Crankshaw’s goal against Bolton finished it. Please don’t let FA Cup replays die. FA Cup replays have been dying for years now. Firstly they got rid of 2nd/3rd replays, then they got rid of replaying the final, then they got rid of replays from the 5th round onwards, so it was only a matter of time until they binned off the replays from the 1st round. It's not the fact they've done this, but the way they only consulted the PL teams that really grinds my gears.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 23, 2024 8:13:00 GMT
Actually i was sent there every day between 1989 and 2003 as i worked there. Working with some of their fans got right up my nose as they thought moving to the ricoh was the start of a new era bringing euro trophies to the city. Mind you i wasn,t keen on them for years before as they over did the Sky Blue thing more than most did with their nickname and having jimmy hill involved with the club didn,t help being the instigator of stopping the maximum players wage which many lower league clubs suffered after. Stopping the maximum wage was an amazing legacy for the chinny wonder! Players were glorified serfs before then, being responsible for entertainment that was watched by millions yet paid absolute peanuts. You might argue that wages have gone too far the other way (although maybe use film stars and rock stars for a more accurate comparison with the top players) but the maximum wage was scandalous. Hardly serfs even if they played for an unfashionable bottom league club. They,d get more than their neighbours doing an ordinary job and possibly more than players in the late 70,s and 80,s got playing for County and others the same. Heard many arguements at home with my sister and old man as she hated football but he put her in her place saying she was the best dressed kid in the street with a 30,s football wage. On top of that i earned more as a bus driver than a number of rochdale and County players got in the 80,s. The ones who were the winners were those at the top of the game but not the journeyman at the bottom. Really was Hill ever interested in football away from the top.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Apr 23, 2024 10:03:24 GMT
Stopping the maximum wage was an amazing legacy for the chinny wonder! Players were glorified serfs before then, being responsible for entertainment that was watched by millions yet paid absolute peanuts. You might argue that wages have gone too far the other way (although maybe use film stars and rock stars for a more accurate comparison with the top players) but the maximum wage was scandalous. Hardly serfs even if they played for an unfashionable bottom league club. They,d get more than their neighbours doing an ordinary job and possibly more than players in the late 70,s and 80,s got playing for County and others the same. Heard many arguements at home with my sister and old man as she hated football but he put her in her place saying she was the best dressed kid in the street with a 30,s football wage. On top of that i earned more as a bus driver than a number of rochdale and County players got in the 80,s. The ones who were the winners were those at the top of the game but not the journeyman at the bottom. Really was Hill ever interested in football away from the top. He was PFA Chair for 5 years, so I'd say he was, yeah. I don't think the fact that players at the bottom were paid relatively poor wages after abolition (and that's debatable) is justification for saying that there should be a maximum wage across the board. And I'm not sure of your point regarding players getting more than their neighbours, but you getting more than them as a bus driver. Should there have been a maximum wage for bus drivers?
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 23, 2024 18:39:24 GMT
Hardly serfs even if they played for an unfashionable bottom league club. They,d get more than their neighbours doing an ordinary job and possibly more than players in the late 70,s and 80,s got playing for County and others the same. Heard many arguements at home with my sister and old man as she hated football but he put her in her place saying she was the best dressed kid in the street with a 30,s football wage. On top of that i earned more as a bus driver than a number of rochdale and County players got in the 80,s. The ones who were the winners were those at the top of the game but not the journeyman at the bottom. Really was Hill ever interested in football away from the top. He was PFA Chair for 5 years, so I'd say he was, yeah. I don't think the fact that players at the bottom were paid relatively poor wages after abolition (and that's debatable) is justification for saying that there should be a maximum wage across the board. And I'm not sure of your point regarding players getting more than their neighbours, but you getting more than them as a bus driver. Should there have been a maximum wage for bus drivers? Every month or so you here of this or that club getting into financial difficulties that were hardly heard of at one time when the maximum wage was in force. Its not because they have made ground improvements or gates have fallen rediculously low. Its i,d guess the wages they are paying to compete with the others who are more financially secure. Where is all the money thats coming into the game by sponsorships actually going if its not players wages.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 23, 2024 18:45:15 GMT
He was PFA Chair for 5 years, so I'd say he was, yeah. I don't think the fact that players at the bottom were paid relatively poor wages after abolition (and that's debatable) is justification for saying that there should be a maximum wage across the board. And I'm not sure of your point regarding players getting more than their neighbours, but you getting more than them as a bus driver. Should there have been a maximum wage for bus drivers? Every month or so you here of this or that club getting into financial difficulties that were hardly heard of at one time when the maximum wage was in force. Its not because they have made ground improvements or gates have fallen rediculously low. Its i,d guess the wages they are paying to compete with the others who are more financially secure. Where is all the money thats coming into the game by sponsorships actually going if its not players wages. That's not an argument in favour of the maximum wage though. It's an argument in favour of reasonable financial management. The bigger problem is the amount of money pooled at the top of the game that skews everything. A more even distribution of that wealth would make fewer clubs less inclined to overspend to keep up.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 23, 2024 19:31:40 GMT
Just watched the end of MOTD and the very last sequence was about replays in years gone by….Crankshaw’s goal against Bolton finished it. Please don’t let FA Cup replays die. FA Cup replays have been dying for years now. Firstly they got rid of 2nd/3rd replays, then they got rid of replaying the final, then they got rid of replays from the 5th round onwards, so it was only a matter of time until they binned off the replays from the 1st round. It's not the fact they've done this, but the way they only consulted the PL teams that really grinds my gears. Could be far worse. They could have been talking about reducing the sponsorship money to all clubs and giving the majority of it to those who reach the quarter, semi and final of the competition. You,d see the pitchforks out then on their march to FA HQ. Thats the real magic of the cup, the money clubs get out of it.
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