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Post by BWScarf on Oct 10, 2024 20:57:13 GMT
All good though because Southgate should have been beating these teams anyway! We might have drawn that 0-0 under Southgate. I was a sceptic by the end. But he’d never have overseen a game as defensively embarrassing as that.
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Post by 1994hatter on Oct 10, 2024 20:59:12 GMT
All good though because Southgate should have been beating these teams anyway! We might have drawn that 0-0 under Southgate. I was a sceptic by the end. But he’d never have overseen a game as defensively embarrassing as that. Better than losing. Shackles are off anyway, thoroughly enjoyed that dominant, attacking England performance tonight.
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Post by BWScarf on Oct 10, 2024 21:01:10 GMT
We might have drawn that 0-0 under Southgate. I was a sceptic by the end. But he’d never have overseen a game as defensively embarrassing as that. Better than losing. Shackles are off anyway, thoroughly enjoyed that dominant, attacking England performance tonight. On a serious note, I think Southgate was going regardless of The Narrative, probably of his own accord. I think that was probably right. Eight years is a long time and he seemed tired by the end. Different issue what comes after. This isn’t it.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 10, 2024 21:04:45 GMT
Better than losing. Shackles are off anyway, thoroughly enjoyed that dominant, attacking England performance tonight. On a serious note, I think Southgate was going regardless of The Narrative, probably of his own accord. I think that was probably right. Eight years is a long time and he seemed tired by the end. Different issue what comes after. This isn’t it. I think he'll go down as a good, even great, England manager of transition bringing back enjoyment to the England side. The question is who takes us to the next level, best utilises a generational wealth of attacking talent and wins something! On that showing, it isn't Carsley. The side wasn't right from the beginning and was more of a team to face San Marino, then he didn't change it. Bringing on Madueke for Saka was the most worrying bit for me, sticking with the same system that hadn't worked for 50 mins.
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Post by vicar on Oct 10, 2024 21:06:39 GMT
All good though because Southgate should have been beating these teams anyway! We might have drawn that 0-0 under Southgate. I was a sceptic by the end. But he’d never have overseen a game as defensively embarrassing as that. It wasn't just defensively embarrassing we didn't have a striker for over an hour, yes Foden, Bellingham, Saka and Cole are capable of scoring but there was no focal point.
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Post by vicar on Oct 10, 2024 21:13:08 GMT
From that display, TAA and Lewis probably can't be our fullbacks together, especially with just Rice in front. Both want to get roam and get on the ball. Both are excellent at it but it leaves us exposed. We needed an Ibou Touray tonight! It was such an unbalanced starting XI. There's probably 3 (or 4 at a push) defensively minded players in there, including the keeper(!), as Rice likes to get forward for Arsenal too. I don't get the hype about TAA he'll hit a couple of 40 yard passes which the pundits will rave about but he goes missing too often for me, as for Lewis? I've not seen enough of him but he was poor tonight, I'll bet Stones was wishing he had Maguire alongside him.
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Oct 10, 2024 21:14:06 GMT
England should be going for a top manager. Look at Sven's CV when he came and how much he wanted the job. No top club side would go for someone with Carsley's CV as a number one. Possibly a blessing this is happening now. Top managers are top managers because they live and breathe the game. They're not going to want to settle for seeing their players for a week every few months.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 10, 2024 21:24:58 GMT
From that display, TAA and Lewis probably can't be our fullbacks together, especially with just Rice in front. Both want to get roam and get on the ball. Both are excellent at it but it leaves us exposed. We needed an Ibou Touray tonight! It was such an unbalanced starting XI. There's probably 3 (or 4 at a push) defensively minded players in there, including the keeper(!), as Rice likes to get forward for Arsenal too. I don't get the hype about TAA he'll hit a couple of 40 yard passes which the pundits will rave about but he goes missing too often for me, as for Lewis? I've not seen enough of him but he was poor tonight, I'll bet Stones was wishing he had Maguire alongside him. I get it. His creativity is ridiculous but it's a bit like playing Jodi Jones at RWB for Notts. He gets a lot more time because of the position he plays and it's a trade off defensively that you probably need to build the rest of the team around - so Rice and another sitting midfielder. Lewis on the other side could be similar (but more about carrying the ball) from the limited games I've seen so having them both and 1 orthodox centre mid was a recipe for disaster against a side who can counter.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 10, 2024 21:25:06 GMT
On a serious note, I think Southgate was going regardless of The Narrative, probably of his own accord. I think that was probably right. Eight years is a long time and he seemed tired by the end. Different issue what comes after. This isn’t it. I think he'll go down as a good, even great, England manager of transition bringing back enjoyment to the England side. The question is who takes us to the next level, best utilises a generational wealth of attacking talent and wins something! On that showing, it isn't Carsley. The side wasn't right from the beginning and was more of a team to face San Marino, then he didn't change it. Bringing on Madueke for Saka was the most worrying bit for me, sticking with the same system that hadn't worked for 50 mins. The ‘next level’ is winning tournaments regularly, something hardly any national team ever does. Southgate’s achievements were remarkable.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 10, 2024 21:28:35 GMT
I think he'll go down as a good, even great, England manager of transition bringing back enjoyment to the England side. The question is who takes us to the next level, best utilises a generational wealth of attacking talent and wins something! On that showing, it isn't Carsley. The side wasn't right from the beginning and was more of a team to face San Marino, then he didn't change it. Bringing on Madueke for Saka was the most worrying bit for me, sticking with the same system that hadn't worked for 50 mins. The ‘next level’ is winning tournaments regularly, something hardly any national team ever does. Southgate’s achievements were remarkable. The next level is winning 1 tournament. Southgate did a very good job but I can't think of anything that was remarkable. I may be missing something though? At the end of the day people don't remember losing finalists. I'd rather we won 1 WC/Euros then failed to qualify for 1 like Italy then consistently reach the last 4 but never make it.
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Post by BWScarf on Oct 10, 2024 21:31:44 GMT
The ‘next level’ is winning tournaments regularly, something hardly any national team ever does. Southgate’s achievements were remarkable. The next level is winning 1 tournament. Southgate did a very good job but I can't think of anything that was remarkable. I may be missing something though? At the end of the day people don't remember losing finalists. I'd rather we won 1 major WC/Euros then failed to qualify one like Italy then consistently reach the last 4 but never make it. Southgate was excellent at going deep into tournaments. I doubt he would ever have won one. Which doesn’t make him bad. He did better than anyone we had in 60 years. But for actually winning a tournament, he probably wasn’t the one. Both things can be true.
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Post by mat1scfc on Oct 10, 2024 21:32:49 GMT
From that display, TAA and Lewis probably can't be our fullbacks together, especially with just Rice in front. Both want to get roam and get on the ball. Both are excellent at it but it leaves us exposed. We needed an Ibou Touray tonight! It was such an unbalanced starting XI. There's probably 3 (or 4 at a push) defensively minded players in there, including the keeper(!), as Rice likes to get forward for Arsenal too. I don't get the hype about TAA he'll hit a couple of 40 yard passes which the pundits will rave about but he goes missing too often for me, as for Lewis? I've not seen enough of him but he was poor tonight, I'll bet Stones was wishing he had Maguire alongside him. no idea how much you watch the prem (if you do) but lots of people will say the same. Trent is so good offensively atleast in a creative manner but everyone knows he lacks defensive awareness and hes cost liverpool quite alot of goals by switching off there is a reason hes been used in midfield but he's never played with the right type of players there.
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Post by BWScarf on Oct 10, 2024 21:33:35 GMT
The next level is winning 1 tournament. Southgate did a very good job but I can't think of anything that was remarkable. I may be missing something though? At the end of the day people don't remember losing finalists. I'd rather we won 1 major WC/Euros then failed to qualify one like Italy then consistently reach the last 4 but never make it. Southgate was excellent at going deep into tournaments. I doubt he would ever have won one. Which doesn’t make him bad. He did better than anyone we had in 60 years. But for actually winning a tournament, he probably wasn’t the one. Both things can be true. In any case, it’s irreverent. Southgate was always leaving after 2024 whether he won a tournament or not.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 10, 2024 21:37:49 GMT
The ‘next level’ is winning tournaments regularly, something hardly any national team ever does. Southgate’s achievements were remarkable. The next level is winning 1 tournament. Southgate did a very good job but I can't think of anything that was remarkable. I may be missing something though? At the end of the day people don't remember losing finalists. I'd rather we won 1 WC/Euros then failed to qualify for 1 like Italy then consistently reach the last 4 but never make it. Course they remember finals. He took us to two, and a semi of the WC. We’ve been through this a million times so doesn’t need doing again but we’ll see how good a job he did over the next 12-24 months when we don’t do as well.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 10, 2024 21:41:06 GMT
The next level is winning 1 tournament. Southgate did a very good job but I can't think of anything that was remarkable. I may be missing something though? At the end of the day people don't remember losing finalists. I'd rather we won 1 WC/Euros then failed to qualify for 1 like Italy then consistently reach the last 4 but never make it. Course they remember finals. He took us to two, and a semi of the WC. We’ve been through this a million times so doesn’t need doing again but we’ll see how good a job he did over the next 12-24 months when we don’t do as well. It was more of a turn of phrase. It will be remembered, it was a good achievement, but at the end of the day it's winning that counts in professional sport. You count major trophies not major finals whether that's international football, domestic football, tennis, whatever. I'm not disagreeing he didn't do a good job - in fact, he did a very good job but he won't be remembered as favourably as the next manager who wins a major tournament for us even if that is all he (or she) does imo.
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