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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2024 7:12:06 GMT
Course they remember finals. He took us to two, and a semi of the WC. We’ve been through this a million times so doesn’t need doing again but we’ll see how good a job he did over the next 12-24 months when we don’t do as well. In the past 12 months alone under Southgate we failed to beat Denmark, Slovenia, Iceland, Ukraine and North Macedonia. I really don’t think we’ll miss him as much as you suggest. I respect what he did but there was nothing remarkable about it at all. We also reached the final of the Euros again. Something we’ve only ever done with Southgate as manager.
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Post by scfc73 on Oct 11, 2024 7:49:08 GMT
Listened to first half while working and watched second when home. Shocking. Actually pleased that we lost because I can't get on with Carsley who looks like a personality by pass to me.Heard him interviewed on no left back in the squad and he offered up Cole Palmer, left back!!! Didn't happen but if thats in his thinking wow. No shape, no pattern, poor defensively and lacking a cutting edge and Pickford has always been down my list of keepers, his playing out from the back looks so laboured. Pay money and get Eddie Howe, now. I just can't see Howe being interested at this present time. He's a young manager doing a reasonably good job at a well backed big club. I can't see him wanting to walk away from that to go to working with England every few months with all the vitriol that goes with it. Unfortunately if the F.A aren't going to back Carsley I can see them going for the only other seemingly available English option of Graham Potter which will mean a return to a very slow, methodical build up, possession based game. Last night was embarrassing & a shambles, losing at home to a side we've never lost to & who hadn't beat a top ranked side for 20 years obviously hasn't done Carsley's prospects any favours but we still had the players out there last night that should have been capable of beating Greece at home, the system didn't help, granted, but I felt the players let him down last night, sloppy & slightly petulant in their attitude because things weren't going their way, didn't learn or heed the warnings of the disallowed goals, got themselves out of jail with the equaliser but then showed a bit of naivety in pushing for a late winner when in the bigger picture a draw (whilst not great) would have done as technically it wasn't a 'must win' game. Admittedly Carsley also has to take responsibility for that as well though. How we respond against Finland is vital. Anything but a comprehensive display then I can't see Carsley being given the gig. Bounce back with a good win then I'd honestly be happy with the F.A. giving Carsley a proper chance. He did great things with the U-21's playing front foot attacking football & had worked with a lot of the younger players before & they've spoken very well of him in the past with regards to his coaching & style of play. My money's still on the F.A. going for Potter though. Which will likely mean a return to the safety first style of football which many disliked with Southgate.
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Oct 11, 2024 7:50:58 GMT
Listened to first half while working and watched second when home. Shocking. Actually pleased that we lost because I can't get on with Carsley who looks like a personality by pass to me.Heard him interviewed on no left back in the squad and he offered up Cole Palmer, left back!!! Didn't happen but if thats in his thinking wow. No shape, no pattern, poor defensively and lacking a cutting edge and Pickford has always been down my list of keepers, his playing out from the back looks so laboured. Pay money and get Eddie Howe, now. The comment about Palmer at LB was quite clearly a joke and it blows my mind that people are taking it seriously.
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Post by samscfc on Oct 11, 2024 7:54:49 GMT
So we tried the system for 20 mins in training apparently... I've listened and that isn't a misquote. Very cavalier for our hardest competitive game in the Nations League so far and someone supposedly auditioning for the permanent job - does he know the FA are looking elsewhere and has been given an "experimental" brief? When I saw the line up I thought fair play to Carsley for being brave and trying something different, but to come out and say it's because they did it for 20 minutes in training is absolutely ridiculous. Why would you even say that?
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Post by samscfc on Oct 11, 2024 7:56:42 GMT
Listened to first half while working and watched second when home. Shocking. Actually pleased that we lost because I can't get on with Carsley who looks like a personality by pass to me.Heard him interviewed on no left back in the squad and he offered up Cole Palmer, left back!!! Didn't happen but if thats in his thinking wow. No shape, no pattern, poor defensively and lacking a cutting edge and Pickford has always been down my list of keepers, his playing out from the back looks so laboured. Pay money and get Eddie Howe, now. The comment about Palmer at LB was quite clearly a joke and it blows my mind that people are taking it seriously. With the way footballs going nowadays with all this modern nonsense, I really think he was being serious considering Palmer is left footed. I don't think he'd make a joke with what the press/social media is like.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Oct 11, 2024 7:56:57 GMT
Sorry, were England playing last night?
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Post by gibbo on Oct 11, 2024 8:00:59 GMT
So we tried the system for 20 mins in training apparently... I've listened and that isn't a misquote. And working with players on things for 20 minutes here and there is why certain successful club managers won’t touch international football. Why I'm not putting too much in to the '20 minute thing', it's probably a reasonable chunk in the context of how long he's actually had with (all) the players, considering some played for clubs on Sunday and we were straight up with the Thursday fixture.
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Post by mattyovrio on Oct 11, 2024 8:01:00 GMT
Listened to first half while working and watched second when home. Shocking. Actually pleased that we lost because I can't get on with Carsley who looks like a personality by pass to me.Heard him interviewed on no left back in the squad and he offered up Cole Palmer, left back!!! Didn't happen but if thats in his thinking wow. No shape, no pattern, poor defensively and lacking a cutting edge and Pickford has always been down my list of keepers, his playing out from the back looks so laboured. Pay money and get Eddie Howe, now. The comment about Palmer at LB was quite clearly a joke and it blows my mind that people are taking it seriously. I think he might have been making a broader point that a lot of players in the modern game can play any position (except goalie). he didn’t help himself by talking about working on a completely new way of setting up for 20 mins then deploying it in a game though. That wasn’t a joke too, was it? Either way he is a joker!
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Post by samscfc on Oct 11, 2024 8:04:50 GMT
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Post by gibbo on Oct 11, 2024 8:09:52 GMT
How we respond against Finland is vital. Anything but a comprehensive display then I can't see Carsley being given the gig. I don't like to over react after 1 game and won't particularly pillar Carsley for last night and trying something different, but I fear the woefulness of the performance has spelt the end (in the FA's thinking) for his chances of getting it permanently. A bit like Southgate though, he was always in some ways in a no-win position with these 6 games. We win the 6 "well it's poor opposition" would have been the response. As it is he's possibly tried something different in an attempt to stand out as something different to the previous manager and it's ultimately backfired on him. I see the fickle press are out in force though: "clear before the game not enough defensive solidity in the midfield" - Isn't defensive solidity from the midfield exactly what Southgate got slaughtered for picking for all those years??
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Post by mattyovrio on Oct 11, 2024 8:15:21 GMT
If I was Solanke or Watkins, I would have been livid he went without a recognised 9 in the starting line up - more so after 20 mins working on it the day before.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 11, 2024 8:23:29 GMT
It was more of a turn of phrase. It will be remembered, it was a good achievement, but at the end of the day it's winning that counts in professional sport. You count major trophies not major finals whether that's international football, domestic football, tennis, whatever. I'm not disagreeing he didn't do a good job - in fact, he did a very good job but he won't be remembered as favourably as the next manager who wins a major tournament for us even if that is all he (or she) does imo. Tell that to anyone who has ever won a silver or bronze at the Olympics Or the people who decided 2nd and 3rd in the Prem was more worthy than winning either the FA cup or the League Cup. The Olympics is different as it's a more recognised achievement and the exception to the "rule". As to the PL, the only reason that's the case is the money and prestige Champions League qualification brings. Give that to the Cup winners (which I'm not advocating) and it would change overnight. Regardless no "big club" talks about how many PL top 3 or 4s they've had. It's titles and seasons in the Champions League at a stretch.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2024 8:24:23 GMT
I'm not really sure what people expect.
Well, I do. People expect England to control games and play exciting, fast football while also winning tournaments. But that doesn't tend to happen. Obviously the Spain teams of 2008-2012 were on a different level, but recent tournament winners didn't do that. Since Spain in 2012:
Germany in 2014 will be remembered for the 7-1 against Brazil but rest of the tournament they weren't ripping up any trees Portugal in 2016 laboured to the trophy, they barely won a game France in 2018 were decent, tbh Italy in 2021 were classic Italy Argentina in 2022 served up a final for the ages but were ultimately reliant on arguably the greatest ever footballer to dig them out of holes throughout the tournament Spain this year in the Euros were deserved winner, credit to them
It'd be brilliant to be like Spain and waltz through competitions and swatting everyone aside but it rarely happens. Not impossible, as Spain have shown, but it isn't the norm. So it tends to be a more pragmatic approach of result over performance. Which, for the seven games every 2 years, is absolutely fine if we're reaching the end of tournaments, as we were under Southgate. No point being France with Mbappe, Dembele, Tchouameni, Kolo Mouane, Camavinga, Coman etc and being all action if you're going to labour in the knockouts and then go out before us.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 11, 2024 8:28:57 GMT
So we tried the system for 20 mins in training apparently... I've listened and that isn't a misquote. Very cavalier for our hardest competitive game in the Nations League so far and someone supposedly auditioning for the permanent job - does he know the FA are looking elsewhere and has been given an "experimental" brief? And working with players on things for 20 minutes here and there is why certain successful club managers won’t touch international football. For a few days or at most weeks at time probably is but he's got more than 20 mins to prepare a new tactic for a competitive fixture! It's like at school making it known you only spent 20 mins revising after you f*cked up an exam so that's what people should expect. It does come across as almost negligent, at the very least reckless. It wasn't a friendly.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 11, 2024 8:33:02 GMT
Feel england just dare not lose even in a friendly or a competition nobody much have any interest in.I,d guess the statement, i didn,t know england were playing, has been heard across the breakfast table in many homes this morning. If you were actually playing in the game whats more important. Staying injury free with most of the season in front of you or busting a gut last night.
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