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Post by mat1scfc on Oct 16, 2024 8:08:04 GMT
Bit annoying tuchels contract doesnt start until January
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Post by tgttiw on Oct 16, 2024 8:37:44 GMT
I don’t know whether Tuchel will turn out to be the right appointment or not, but I quite like it. It’s interesting, and it’s doing something different. Southgate took us so close to silverware, and couldn’t quite get us over the line. There’s an argument that the FA should stick to the SGP model and the principles they’ve developed, but if the SGP candidate is Carsley, these games he’s had have backfired. So then you go for someone you feel can fit into the framework we’ve got. Southgate’s results were largely excellent, but the football was often a hard watch. Tuchel’s football is easier on the eye, and if he can get a tune out of them, great. He hasn’t tended to stay anywhere long. He is famously an intense figure (and according to some rumour, possibly fond of certain… partying habits), but international football is different to club football. In a lot of ways, international coaches have to work to make players forget their muscle memory from club football. So perhaps it will work (and for the same reasons, perhaps it won’t). Plus, there’s the added benefit that he’s German. Imagine the piss it will boil if England men win their first thing in six decades with a German manager. The little Englanders won’t know what to do. Aside from that, there’s a more sincere argument about whether international sides should always have a native manager, a genuine sense of “our best versus your best”. I can see that argument, but fundamentally I disagree with it. Football transcends borders and Englishness doesn’t have to just be about the place you’re born in. I suppose what I’m saying is, if Tuchel were British, everyone would be buzzing at getting a coach with three domestic titles, a Champions League, Super Cup and a load of other domestic trophies under his belt. He is a bona fide top-class coach. Whether it’ll work, who knows. It might really backfire, it might be great, but it’ll be fun to find out. Good luck to him. I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something.
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Post by BWScarf on Oct 16, 2024 8:43:08 GMT
I don’t know whether Tuchel will turn out to be the right appointment or not, but I quite like it. It’s interesting, and it’s doing something different. Southgate took us so close to silverware, and couldn’t quite get us over the line. There’s an argument that the FA should stick to the SGP model and the principles they’ve developed, but if the SGP candidate is Carsley, these games he’s had have backfired. So then you go for someone you feel can fit into the framework we’ve got. Southgate’s results were largely excellent, but the football was often a hard watch. Tuchel’s football is easier on the eye, and if he can get a tune out of them, great. He hasn’t tended to stay anywhere long. He is famously an intense figure (and according to some rumour, possibly fond of certain… partying habits), but international football is different to club football. In a lot of ways, international coaches have to work to make players forget their muscle memory from club football. So perhaps it will work (and for the same reasons, perhaps it won’t). Plus, there’s the added benefit that he’s German. Imagine the piss it will boil if England men win their first thing in six decades with a German manager. The little Englanders won’t know what to do. Aside from that, there’s a more sincere argument about whether international sides should always have a native manager, a genuine sense of “our best versus your best”. I can see that argument, but fundamentally I disagree with it. Football transcends borders and Englishness doesn’t have to just be about the place you’re born in. I suppose what I’m saying is, if Tuchel were British, everyone would be buzzing at getting a coach with three domestic titles, a Champions League, Super Cup and a load of other domestic trophies under his belt. He is a bona fide top-class coach. Whether it’ll work, who knows. It might really backfire, it might be great, but it’ll be fun to find out. Good luck to him. I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. Gareth Southgate resigned. He was not dismissed. He was/is great, but he was obviously knackered by it all. Eight years is a long time to do that job.
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Post by chadders on Oct 16, 2024 8:49:17 GMT
I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. Gareth Southgate resigned. He was not dismissed. He was/is great, but he was obviously knackered by it all. Eight years is a long time to do that job. Southgate repeatedly failed to get star players to replicated anything close to the standard of performances they put in for their clubs. He played low-risk, low-reward Rusk-style football. Really struggle to see how anyone can call him ‘great’.
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Post by Nik on Oct 16, 2024 9:00:05 GMT
Gareth Southgate resigned. He was not dismissed. He was/is great, but he was obviously knackered by it all. Eight years is a long time to do that job. Southgate repeatedly failed to get star players to replicated anything close to the standard of performances they put in for their clubs. He played low-risk, low-reward Rusk-style football. Really struggle to see how anyone can call him ‘great’. Two major tournament finals and a semi-final, more than any other England manager bar one. That's why he was great.
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 16, 2024 9:02:26 GMT
I don’t know whether Tuchel will turn out to be the right appointment or not, but I quite like it. It’s interesting, and it’s doing something different. Southgate took us so close to silverware, and couldn’t quite get us over the line. There’s an argument that the FA should stick to the SGP model and the principles they’ve developed, but if the SGP candidate is Carsley, these games he’s had have backfired. So then you go for someone you feel can fit into the framework we’ve got. Southgate’s results were largely excellent, but the football was often a hard watch. Tuchel’s football is easier on the eye, and if he can get a tune out of them, great. He hasn’t tended to stay anywhere long. He is famously an intense figure (and according to some rumour, possibly fond of certain… partying habits), but international football is different to club football. In a lot of ways, international coaches have to work to make players forget their muscle memory from club football. So perhaps it will work (and for the same reasons, perhaps it won’t). Plus, there’s the added benefit that he’s German. Imagine the piss it will boil if England men win their first thing in six decades with a German manager. The little Englanders won’t know what to do. Aside from that, there’s a more sincere argument about whether international sides should always have a native manager, a genuine sense of “our best versus your best”. I can see that argument, but fundamentally I disagree with it. Football transcends borders and Englishness doesn’t have to just be about the place you’re born in. I suppose what I’m saying is, if Tuchel were British, everyone would be buzzing at getting a coach with three domestic titles, a Champions League, Super Cup and a load of other domestic trophies under his belt. He is a bona fide top-class coach. Whether it’ll work, who knows. It might really backfire, it might be great, but it’ll be fun to find out. Good luck to him. I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him.
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Post by tgttiw on Oct 16, 2024 9:08:31 GMT
Southgate repeatedly failed to get star players to replicated anything close to the standard of performances they put in for their clubs. He played low-risk, low-reward Rusk-style football. Really struggle to see how anyone can call him ‘great’. Two major tournament finals and a semi-final, more than any other England manager bar one. That's why he was great. This 100%!
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Post by tgttiw on Oct 16, 2024 9:09:28 GMT
I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. That's why I'm really hoping he gets either manchester clubs to manage 😉😁😁😁😁
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Post by gibbo on Oct 16, 2024 9:24:05 GMT
Gareth Southgate resigned. He was not dismissed. He was/is great, but he was obviously knackered by it all. Eight years is a long time to do that job. Wouldn't completely surprise me to see him back in the job at some point, he's having his break and there are still doubts over whether he's suited to / or wants a club job. A few years down the line the FA might be back to him begging.
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Post by gibbo on Oct 16, 2024 9:26:09 GMT
He played low-risk, low-reward Rusk-style football. Correct, probably should have been a bit more adventurous like...hmmm...Lee Carsley maybe??
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Post by suedehead on Oct 16, 2024 9:36:28 GMT
Gareth Southgate resigned. He was not dismissed. He was/is great, but he was obviously knackered by it all. Eight years is a long time to do that job. Southgate repeatedly failed to get star players to replicated anything close to the standard of performances they put in for their clubs. He played low-risk, low-reward Rusk-style football. Really struggle to see how anyone can call him ‘great’. Except the rewards got us to two major finals and a WC semi final. Anyone expecting England to play like a full throttle Liverpool 2020-esque brand of football is going to be sorely disappointed.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 16, 2024 9:41:38 GMT
I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. He was a typical type of person the FA like to appoint as a manager. The so called softer skills not rocking the boat seemed the important factor by appointing him. He just did better than many expected but not universally loved by fans. Gave the impression of a man being happier in the directors box than someone sat with the fans.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 16, 2024 9:43:58 GMT
Southgate repeatedly failed to get star players to replicated anything close to the standard of performances they put in for their clubs. He played low-risk, low-reward Rusk-style football. Really struggle to see how anyone can call him ‘great’. Except the rewards got us to two major finals and a WC semi final. Anyone expecting England to play like a full throttle Liverpool 2020-esque brand of football is going to be sorely disappointed. Thats the problem. Club and International are completely different even if clubs try to bring the international game down to club level.
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Post by muddywaters on Oct 16, 2024 9:44:03 GMT
Two major tournament finals and a semi-final, more than any other England manager bar one. That's why he was great. This 100%! Agree, I sometimes think people forget how cr*p we where before Southgate got involved..........................
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Post by mat1scfc on Oct 16, 2024 9:45:58 GMT
Gareth Southgate resigned. He was not dismissed. He was/is great, but he was obviously knackered by it all. Eight years is a long time to do that job. Wouldn't completely surprise me to see him back in the job at some point, he's having his break and there are still doubts over whether he's suited to / or wants a club job. A few years down the line the FA might be back to him begging. personally dont see him getting a job in the prem. His best bet is Middlesbrough in big trouble in 5/10 years when none of the relegation managers (managers who normally get clubs to survive) are too old. Southgate will take his time now and then get some ambassador role for England or the fa. SAF has just mutually agreed to terminate his contract with united that hes been earning over 2 million a year for the past decade to save united money
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