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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Oct 16, 2024 9:52:40 GMT
One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. He was a typical type of person the FA like to appoint as a manager. The so called softer skills not rocking the boat seemed the important factor by appointing him. He just did better than many expected but not universally loved by fans. Gave the impression of a man being happier in the directors box than someone sat with the fans. I've never understood why he gets this reputation as a yes man. Rewind to Allardyce being announced as manager, and he says that Rooney will continue to play for England as long as he makes himself available, when it was quite clear to everyone that his presence was detrimental to the team. First thing Southgate does? Force Rooney to retire. Then there's all the talk about him only picking his favourites. Yet when the Euros squad was announced there was no place for Phillips, Sterling, Rashford, Henderson or Grealish. All apparently his favourites.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. So United, then?
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 16, 2024 10:09:21 GMT
One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. So United, then? Precisely! United’s only world class option was Tuchel, they decided against it over the summer and now England have nabbed him. I could genuinely see them going for Southgate which would be really really funny. I think they’re at least 10 years away from winning a league again.
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Post by vicar on Oct 16, 2024 10:12:07 GMT
Southgate did a very good job and England are now established as a major force having got to two finals and two semis but we fell short each time, teams with less talent have won trophies so we definitely need something extra, I hope Tuchel can provide it.
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Post by Nik on Oct 16, 2024 10:17:20 GMT
Interesting that the announcement confirms Tuchel signed his deal on 8 October; I'm fairly sure there were no rumours of him getting the job until after that date. Impressive for it to be kept under wraps so well.
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Post by gibbo on Oct 16, 2024 10:29:26 GMT
personally dont see him getting a job in the prem. His best bet is Middlesbrough in big trouble in 5/10 years when none of the relegation managers (managers who normally get clubs to survive) are too old. Southgate will take his time now and then get some ambassador role for England or the fa. Hard to envisage a manager that's just reached 2 Euro's Finals retreating to an ambassador role, massive waste IMO if that happens. The difficulty of a Premier League job is that unless it's one of the big boys with the money there is a restriction on what realistically be achieved, e.g. if he managed a Palace (where he played) it will just be a case of treading water with them. Would that really appeal to Southgate after the intensity of deep tournament runs with England?
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 10:31:40 GMT
Interesting that the announcement confirms Tuchel signed his deal on 8 October; I'm fairly sure there were no rumours of him getting the job until after that date. Impressive for it to be kept under wraps so well. Didn't his agent deny it after that date? I swear there were rumours last week which were denied.
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Post by hazelhurst_ant on Oct 16, 2024 11:17:36 GMT
Agree, I sometimes think people forget how cr*p we where before Southgate got involved.......................... The shambolic Iceland defeat is a distant memory to some.
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Post by Mozzer on Oct 16, 2024 12:03:07 GMT
He was a typical type of person the FA like to appoint as a manager. The so called softer skills not rocking the boat seemed the important factor by appointing him. He just did better than many expected but not universally loved by fans. Gave the impression of a man being happier in the directors box than someone sat with the fans. I've never understood why he gets this reputation as a yes man. Rewind to Allardyce being announced as manager, and he says that Rooney will continue to play for England as long as he makes himself available, when it was quite clear to everyone that his presence was detrimental to the team. First thing Southgate does? Force Rooney to retire. Then there's all the talk about him only picking his favourites. Yet when the Euros squad was announced there was no place for Phillips, Sterling, Rashford, Henderson or Grealish. All apparently his favourites. Facts that don't fit narratives aren't anything to worry about. On a tangent, I despair of the idiocy many in the media and some fans display at times. The insistence on patriotism as some sort of necessary trait is beyond me (who was the better England manager: Keegan or Eriksson?). And even then, your level of patriotism has to be judged. Carsley doesn't sing GSTK so you know he's not up to the job before he starts and Southgate wasn't demonstrative about it and condoned wokeist knee-taking, so he wasn't really all that. Any England fan should be hoping Tuchel is successful. Whether he is or not will not be determined to any degree by whether he furiously pleasures himself into the Union Flag every night.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Oct 16, 2024 12:03:33 GMT
Absolute f*cking state of this:
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Post by Mozzer on Oct 16, 2024 12:14:09 GMT
Absolute f*cking state of this: Rampant idiots. Leaving aside their lack of concern that national assets are owned by foreign companies and countries (which may regarded as more important than who manages a football team) and that the owner of the rancid paper is a nom-dom, they actually say in there that they'd be prepared to accept Guardiola. So the principle of not accepting a foreigner extends as far as not accepting them unless they think the foreigner is good enough. Talk us through that one, DM. And the comments about 'taking the money and running' foreign managers are just laughable. In essence, the Daily Mail remains, as has been the case at least since it supported the Nazis, a paper you shouldn't use to line your cat's litter tray for fear of causing offence to the cat.
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Post by mattyovrio on Oct 16, 2024 12:28:09 GMT
The Daily Fail - FFS - failing daily since it backed the wrong horse in WW2. A bunch of King Cnuts.
John Cooper Clarke should do another version of Daily Express for it.
On the subject of the appointment, I have no issue with Tommy T’s trophies nor his nationality and supposedly prickly character. However, the flea behind my ear buzzing away is that he didn’t manage to win the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich, which is pretty epic fail.
I wish him luck and hope he wins a trophy because we have waited long enough.
DM headlines we are likely to see Hände Hoche - when we surrender a two goal lead Ze vor is over for you Tommy - when we get knocked out of a tournament/he gets sacked
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 16, 2024 12:34:06 GMT
Agree, I sometimes think people forget how cr*p we where before Southgate got involved.......................... The shambolic Iceland defeat is a distant memory to some. Reminder we also lost to Iceland in June of this year…
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Post by scfc73 on Oct 16, 2024 12:38:50 GMT
I don’t know whether Tuchel will turn out to be the right appointment or not, but I quite like it. It’s interesting, and it’s doing something different. Southgate took us so close to silverware, and couldn’t quite get us over the line. There’s an argument that the FA should stick to the SGP model and the principles they’ve developed, but if the SGP candidate is Carsley, these games he’s had have backfired. So then you go for someone you feel can fit into the framework we’ve got. Southgate’s results were largely excellent, but the football was often a hard watch. Tuchel’s football is easier on the eye, and if he can get a tune out of them, great. He hasn’t tended to stay anywhere long. He is famously an intense figure (and according to some rumour, possibly fond of certain… partying habits), but international football is different to club football. In a lot of ways, international coaches have to work to make players forget their muscle memory from club football. So perhaps it will work (and for the same reasons, perhaps it won’t). Plus, there’s the added benefit that he’s German. Imagine the piss it will boil if England men win their first thing in six decades with a German manager. The little Englanders won’t know what to do. Aside from that, there’s a more sincere argument about whether international sides should always have a native manager, a genuine sense of “our best versus your best”. I can see that argument, but fundamentally I disagree with it. Football transcends borders and Englishness doesn’t have to just be about the place you’re born in. I suppose what I’m saying is, if Tuchel were British, everyone would be buzzing at getting a coach with three domestic titles, a Champions League, Super Cup and a load of other domestic trophies under his belt. He is a bona fide top-class coach. Whether it’ll work, who knows. It might really backfire, it might be great, but it’ll be fun to find out. Good luck to him. I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. No denying his excellent record in qualifying & in tournaments. You say he managed the group without boredom slipping in which is true, unfortunately the boredom moved to the pitch & the performances. Bar the semi-final & maybe the final I don't think I've been so underwhelmed by a side progressing so far into a tournament. I was gutted when we lost the final to Italy as it felt like we threw a good chance away. I was totally ambivalent about losing to Spain in the recent final as Spain were easily the best side throughout the tournament & I couldn't believe we'd made it to final based on our earlier performances. That said he & we as fans should be proud of his record regardless of style because his methods largely worked even if we did come up a little short at the final step.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 12:39:47 GMT
The Daily Fail - FFS - failing daily since it backed the wrong horse in WW2. A bunch of King Cnuts. John Cooper Clarke should do another version of Daily Express for it. On the subject of the appointment, I have no issue with Tommy T’s trophies nor his nationality and supposedly prickly character. However, the flea behind my ear buzzing away is that he didn’t manage to win the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich, which is pretty epic fail. I wish him luck and hope he wins a trophy because we have waited long enough. DM headlines we are likely to see Hände Hoche - when we surrender a two goal lead Ze vor is over for you Tommy - when we get knocked out of a tournament/he gets sacked You should write headlines for the DM! He did fail to win the league with Bayern - a rarity in modern times, but the side he lost to went their entire domestic season unbeaten, which is even more unusual.
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