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Post by suedehead on Oct 16, 2024 12:45:39 GMT
Absolute f*cking state of this: Not even a German either, but a GERMAN. Great to see. Our tabloid press is nuts.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 12:50:25 GMT
The DM is a joke. Others just chase clicks too.
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Post by county87 on Oct 16, 2024 12:56:40 GMT
I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. How have you concluded that tactically he's a championship level manager?
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 12:59:03 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that it's preferential when there's similar options.
If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA?
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 16, 2024 13:02:27 GMT
One of the reasons Southgate is out of work and will be for a long time is because tactically he is a championship level manager. He excelled in the ‘softer’ skills such as dealing with the media, team harmony etc and for that he deserves credit and why international football suited him. Club football, not so much. Only clubs after a name and lacking in a plan/direction will be going for him. How have you concluded that tactically he's a championship level manager? His only job in club football he was relegated to the championship. I don’t think any of the premier league clubs would swap their manager for him. Maybe Southampton, possibly Leicester. Both of who are likely to be bottom 3 and were in the championship last year.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 16, 2024 13:03:42 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that's it's preferential when there's similar options. If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA? Shouldn't have to be English at all. No idea why people get so worked up about it.
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Post by scfc73 on Oct 16, 2024 13:05:49 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that's it's preferential when there's similar options. If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA? I'd prefer him to be English but there really isn't a very big pool to choose from so happy to settle for a decent foreign coach. If we finally win something in my lifetime I don't care where they come from. I do think Eddie Howe will get the job at some point much further down the line.
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Post by kayem1 on Oct 16, 2024 13:08:52 GMT
I still think the best manager is currently out of work his name Gareth Southgate. The best thing about Southgate he got international tournaments and how to manage the group without boredom slipping in. With a bit more tactical nous we would have won something. No denying his excellent record in qualifying & in tournaments. You say he managed the group without boredom slipping in which is true, unfortunately the boredom moved to the pitch & the performances. Bar the semi-final & maybe the final I don't think I've been so underwhelmed by a side progressing so far into a tournament. I was gutted when we lost the final to Italy as it felt like we threw a good chance away. I was totally ambivalent about losing to Spain in the recent final as Spain were easily the best side throughout the tournament & I couldn't believe we'd made it to final based on our earlier performances. That said he & we as fans should be proud of his record regardless of style because his methods largely worked even if we did come up a little short at the final step. I personally felt Soouthgate's days were run. He did very well, but I couldn't imagine he would ever get us over the line. Plus the football had become incredibly boring. As for Tuchel. I don't agree with having a foreign coach. IMO, international coaches should be from the country they are coaching. So English not even British. I personally would have gone for Graham Potter, Brighton played some fantastic football when he was coach and they easily became my 2nd favourite team. He did this with relatively unknown players. Imagine what he could do with the pick of England's best. That's assuming that he wanted the job.
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 16, 2024 13:10:45 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that's it's preferential when there's similar options. If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA? Shouldn't have to be English at all. No idea why people get so worked up about it. I wouldn't be totally against a FIFA rule that states all managers must also be from the nation. But that would open a can of worms. Would assistants, coaches, physio’s need to be from the same country too? Whilst that rule doesn’t apply and likely never will, we should go for the best option which we have done in this case. Doesnt help that we haven’t produced a world class manager for so many years.
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Post by Mozzer on Oct 16, 2024 13:12:40 GMT
Graham Potter is still sitting pretty on Chelsea's money, I think. Where he had better players than he had at Brighton. And failed. That's not to say he might not be a success with England at some point - I think we've seen with Southgate you don't have to be a great club manager to be able to do the job. But if you want an Englishman, you want someone who's basically won nothing at the top level as a manager.
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Post by nelly on Oct 16, 2024 13:12:42 GMT
No denying his excellent record in qualifying & in tournaments. You say he managed the group without boredom slipping in which is true, unfortunately the boredom moved to the pitch & the performances. Bar the semi-final & maybe the final I don't think I've been so underwhelmed by a side progressing so far into a tournament. I was gutted when we lost the final to Italy as it felt like we threw a good chance away. I was totally ambivalent about losing to Spain in the recent final as Spain were easily the best side throughout the tournament & I couldn't believe we'd made it to final based on our earlier performances. That said he & we as fans should be proud of his record regardless of style because his methods largely worked even if we did come up a little short at the final step. I personally felt Soouthgate's days were run. He did very well, but I couldn't imagine he would ever get us over the line. Plus the football had become incredibly boring. As for Tuchel. I don't agree with having a foreign coach. IMO, international coaches should be from the country they are coaching. So English not even British. I personally would have gone for Graham Potter, Brighton played some fantastic football when he was coach and they easily became my 2nd favourite team. He did this with relatively unknown players. Imagine what he could do with the pick of England's best. That's assuming that he wanted the job. I think he's lined up for thr Man U job, when Ten bag finally fall's on his sword.
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Post by county87 on Oct 16, 2024 13:17:21 GMT
How have you concluded that tactically he's a championship level manager? His only job in club football he was relegated to the championship. I don’t think any of the premier league clubs would swap their manager for him. Maybe Southampton, possibly Leicester. Both of who are likely to be bottom 3 and were in the championship last year. Ah ok, so you're ignoring his record as England manager. Fair enough.
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Post by kayem1 on Oct 16, 2024 13:26:59 GMT
I personally felt Soouthgate's days were run. He did very well, but I couldn't imagine he would ever get us over the line. Plus the football had become incredibly boring. As for Tuchel. I don't agree with having a foreign coach. IMO, international coaches should be from the country they are coaching. So English not even British. I personally would have gone for Graham Potter, Brighton played some fantastic football when he was coach and they easily became my 2nd favourite team. He did this with relatively unknown players. Imagine what he could do with the pick of England's best. That's assuming that he wanted the job. I think he's lined up for thr Man U job, when Ten bag finally fall's on his sword. You're probably right.
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Post by HTC on Oct 16, 2024 13:34:45 GMT
Shouldn't have to be English at all. No idea why people get so worked up about it. I wouldn't be totally against a FIFA rule that states all managers must also be from the nation. But that would open a can of worms. Would assistants, coaches, physio’s need to be from the same country too? Whilst that rule doesn’t apply and likely never will, we should go for the best option which we have done in this case. Doesnt help that we haven’t produced a world class manager for so many years.
problem with a rule like that is that it's fine for major football nations, but I can't see how it would really work in places that lack the infrastructure to develop local coaches. Africa is massively improved on that front, but foreign managers are still pretty standard in most of Asia / the Caribbean etc.
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Post by mattyovrio on Oct 16, 2024 13:38:09 GMT
His only job in club football he was relegated to the championship. I don’t think any of the premier league clubs would swap their manager for him. Maybe Southampton, possibly Leicester. Both of who are likely to be bottom 3 and were in the championship last year. Ah ok, so you're ignoring his record as England manager. Fair enough. And you would if you are a league club. His record for England would be more relevant if he took on another national team.
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