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Post by suedehead on Oct 16, 2024 13:47:25 GMT
Ah ok, so you're ignoring his record as England manager. Fair enough. And you would if you are a league club. His record for England would be more relevant if he took on another national team. More relevant, but you wouldn't ignore it. De la Fuente who won the Euros with Spain had a pretty poor record as club manager. Only managed about 250 games over 14 years, win percentage under 30% at Bilbao reserves, but then got involved at younger levels at the national side and has been a sensation. A club would be daft to rule someone like him out because of what we did at club level 15 year ago, same as Southgate.
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Post by Waldorf on Oct 16, 2024 13:48:55 GMT
The Daily Fail - FFS - failing daily since it backed the wrong horse in WW2. A bunch of King Cnuts. John Cooper Clarke should do another version of Daily Express for it. On the subject of the appointment, I have no issue with Tommy T’s trophies nor his nationality and supposedly prickly character. However, the flea behind my ear buzzing away is that he didn’t manage to win the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich, which is pretty epic fail. I wish him luck and hope he wins a trophy because we have waited long enough. DM headlines we are likely to see Hände Hoche - when we surrender a two goal lead Ze vor is over for you Tommy - when we get knocked out of a tournament/he gets sacked You should write headlines for the DM! He did fail to win the league with Bayern - a rarity in modern times, but the side he lost to went their entire domestic season unbeaten, which is even more unusual. They finished third though, so even had Leverkusen not been almost perfect they still wouldn't have won it.
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Post by hazelhurst_ant on Oct 16, 2024 14:23:53 GMT
The shambolic Iceland defeat is a distant memory to some. Reminder we also lost to Iceland in June of this year… In a friendly. County lost to Oldham and Carlisle in pre-season friendlies this year.
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 16, 2024 14:52:36 GMT
His only job in club football he was relegated to the championship. I don’t think any of the premier league clubs would swap their manager for him. Maybe Southampton, possibly Leicester. Both of who are likely to be bottom 3 and were in the championship last year. Ah ok, so you're ignoring his record as England manager. Fair enough. And you ignored the second half of my post… There is only 1 or 2 clubs in the premier league that would consider him. Possibly 3 if the tabloid talk of United being interested in him is true but that should tell you all you need to know.
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Post by hedleyverity on Oct 16, 2024 14:59:51 GMT
The DM is a joke. Others just chase clicks too. Bet the people who work for the Mail have a right laugh ‘Right, let’s see what we can get those morons worked up about today’
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Post by Nik on Oct 16, 2024 15:00:19 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that it's preferential when there's similar options. If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA? I think they should be, ideally. If they aren't then the world isn't going to fall in on itself though. The crying the usual suspects are doing about him being German is very enjoyable though, it's definitely had more warming to the appointment more than I was.
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Post by stockytwo on Oct 16, 2024 16:47:10 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that it's preferential when there's similar options. If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA? They don't have to be english no, but they should be. The whole point of international football is that it's supposed to be pure and it's entirely based on your nations ability rather than the level of resources (obviously i'm aware that resources can and do lift ability but you know what I mean, in theory there could be a Messi who comes from Moldova) Personally I feel that it's a little bit embarassing that such a large footballing nation such as ourselves has gone for a foreign manager again but I can completely understand why they did it. It's not like some top english manager who was available has been overlooked for a foreign manager who was slightly better. Unless they were going to give the Saudis a bucketload of money to release Eddie Howe from his contract I can't really see any other suitable candidates. Unfortunately the top top level of managers just aren't english and to be honest haven't been for a long time. Tuchel is a good appointment and he gets my support but I can still support the appointment whilst thinking it's a shame there was no english candidate around.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 16:50:06 GMT
You should write headlines for the DM! He did fail to win the league with Bayern - a rarity in modern times, but the side he lost to went their entire domestic season unbeaten, which is even more unusual. They finished third though, so even had Leverkusen not been almost perfect they still wouldn't have won it. Knew someone would say that, as it's right! Their points total wasn't great either. My guess is that could have been different if Leverkusen were closer. He got hounded by the media and Bayern just aren't used to losing. A close race and I think their winning DNA may have kicked in.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Oct 16, 2024 16:51:53 GMT
Out of curiosity, does anyone think the national team manager has to be English? Absolutely, 100% of the time, not just that it's preferential when there's similar options. If so, does the entire backroom staff have to be English too? Everyone that works at the FA? They don't have to be english no, but they should be. The whole point of international football is that it's supposed to be pure and it's entirely based on your nations ability rather than the level of resources (obviously i'm aware that resources can and do lift ability but you know what I mean, in theory there could be a Messi who comes from Moldova) Personally I feel that it's a little bit embarassing that such a large footballing nation such as ourselves has gone for a foreign manager again but I can completely understand why they did it. It's not like some top english manager who was available has been overlooked for a foreign manager who was slightly better. Unless they were going to give the Saudis a bucketload of money to release Eddie Howe from his contract I can't really see any other suitable candidates. Unfortunately the top top level of managers just aren't english and to be honest haven't been for a long time. Tuchel is a good appointment and he gets my support but I can still support the appointment whilst thinking it's a shame there was no english candidate around. Fair enough. I think there's an argument around developing English coaches and thinking long term but most are just hungry for success and that elusive trophy. Out of curiosity, would you say the same for the backroom staff? Coaches, physio etc. Where does it end?
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Post by stockytwo on Oct 16, 2024 16:57:49 GMT
They don't have to be english no, but they should be. The whole point of international football is that it's supposed to be pure and it's entirely based on your nations ability rather than the level of resources (obviously i'm aware that resources can and do lift ability but you know what I mean, in theory there could be a Messi who comes from Moldova) Personally I feel that it's a little bit embarassing that such a large footballing nation such as ourselves has gone for a foreign manager again but I can completely understand why they did it. It's not like some top english manager who was available has been overlooked for a foreign manager who was slightly better. Unless they were going to give the Saudis a bucketload of money to release Eddie Howe from his contract I can't really see any other suitable candidates. Unfortunately the top top level of managers just aren't english and to be honest haven't been for a long time. Tuchel is a good appointment and he gets my support but I can still support the appointment whilst thinking it's a shame there was no english candidate around. Fair enough. I think there's an argument around developing English coaches and thinking long term but most are just hungry for success and that elusive trophy. Out of curiosity, would you say the same for the backroom staff? Coaches, physio etc. Where does it end? Everyone down to the bus driver should be able to prove pure lineage down to pre Norman Britain
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Oct 16, 2024 17:08:05 GMT
Fair enough. I think there's an argument around developing English coaches and thinking long term but most are just hungry for success and that elusive trophy. Out of curiosity, would you say the same for the backroom staff? Coaches, physio etc. Where does it end? Everyone down to the bus driver should be able to prove pure lineage down to pre Norman Britain How does it work if you have Angle or Saxon DNA? Is it a 'Nein'?
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Post by samscfc on Oct 16, 2024 17:11:38 GMT
I thought he did an absolutely terrible job at Bayern, took over a team that won 11 league titles on the trot, signed one of the best strikers in the world, got knocked out of the cup by a lower league team, won nothing and managed to somehow come 3rd.
But despite that I can get behind the appointment, would prefer an English manager but his record in knock out football bar the cup as I mentioned above, is pretty good.
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Post by stockytwo on Oct 16, 2024 17:16:30 GMT
Everyone down to the bus driver should be able to prove pure lineage down to pre Norman Britain How does it work if you have Angle or Saxon DNA? Is it a 'Nein'? Fair point. If Tuchel can prove he's just another Saxon coming over here looking for some decent grazing land and to get away from the Hunnic invasion then i'll let him off.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Oct 16, 2024 17:25:16 GMT
If it's based on domestic trophies won to get the England job, then who have been the most successful English managers in the last 30 years or so? (BTW - I've not done that due to PL starting 30 years ago.. done it simply simply as there is a chance those managers may still be available) None have won the PL, and I'm struggling to look past Keegan for an Englishman who has come runner up. FA Cup - Redknapp. Pardew was a Runner up. League Cup - not sure Euro League competitions - Hodgson, McLaren ring a bell, can't think of many more.
England have a piss poor record of producing great English managers who have taken on the best in club football in recent years.
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Post by Mozzer on Oct 16, 2024 17:30:50 GMT
Last English manager to win the top division is Howard Wilkinson. Last English manager to win Europe's top club competition was Joe Fagan.
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