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Post by bigmartin on Oct 19, 2024 11:29:32 GMT
The bands you've named were all brilliant (although I can take or leave the Stones for the most part) but the Beatles were blatantly so much more than a boy band with guitars, as evidenced by their varied discography. Listen to Bo Didley then listen to early Stones stuff - they shamelessly ripped him off That's not really fair. They just loved and were hugely influenced by his music and therefore created their own music in his style. That's not ripping him off, it's literally paying homage to him. One could argue that every single band (because every band is influenced by other musos) has done the same. In fact it's probably not even open to argument.
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Post by nelly on Oct 19, 2024 11:30:13 GMT
The Beatles, a Boy band with guitars. Not a fan and there were much better bands in the 60's. Small Faces, The Who, Rolling Stones, The Kinks etc. They were a boy band in the sense of being a band formed of boys. But in terms of the modern idea of boy bands (which are not usually actually "bands" at all, they're just groups - which are entirely different) they just weren't. They formed in the traditional manner of "real" bands, that is a group of mates meeting to piss about with instruments, realising they actually could gig, and getting out and doing so. I'm not actually in that huge camp of people that would look to ostracise you for your view on this because musical tastes vary, it's allowed to like different things (I myself like some stuff that many would consider absolutely awful). But you're painting them incorrectly here. And by the way, I'm not a hugely blinkered fan of theirs either. They produced some utter bilge (in my opinion). They patently weren't a "boy band (see above) with guitars" though in any sense. They used literally hundreds of different instruments through their recording career. Lennon himself could play bass, banjo, piano and organ (amongst others - he could even play drums to a high standard, although the trope mentioned above is not of course true) to a high level as well as sing. McCartney's widely regarded one of the most gifted and wide ranging musicians on the planet (doesn't mean you can't not like his songs of course - but the cat can play literally everything). Harrison (and Lennon in particular) introduced instruments into modern recording which in some instances had rarely ever even been used in the Western world. Ringo was original, metronomically perfect, and the concrete in the band. He played live gigs in front of thousands of screaming people often with flimsy equipment and unmiked drums so unbeknown to most he played f*cking HARD and when they were gigging he held the music together (far more professional live than t'other three who tended to get carried away). They pretty much invented/popularised multi track recording and musical experimentation (at least to levels not seen previously - tape loops, reverse recording, innovation of arrangement, abstract and unusual lyricism and so forth). And they also went on to foment social discourse and cultural engagement. They were extremely influential in the psychedelic rock movement and were one of a group of musicians to spearhead the use of electronic synths and tools into their music so if you're a fan of any of those 80s electronic bands for example then you need to doff your cap to them (and others such as the Monkeys) for "inventing" it in essence. I could go further, but it's hard to change minds or force rethink when it comes to music so I won't. But I'd strongly urge you to move away from some of their earliest music and listen to some of their truly amazing stuff, from their middle or late string of albums. Some of it's as good as has ever been recorded. And this is from the hand of a once sceptic like you currently are. I hated them as a kid. Until my friends at college said "we're going to form a band and it's going to be a Beatles tribute band, do you fancy playing drums". Literally changed the course of my life. I get all that, but they just aren't my thing. I've got quite a wide range of music taste, but rock n roll is my favourite. Used to hate heavy rock, but it's my guilty pleasure now. I just love music with bollocks, so to speak.
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 19, 2024 11:42:40 GMT
The bands you've named were all brilliant (although I can take or leave the Stones for the most part) but the Beatles were blatantly so much more than a boy band with guitars, as evidenced by their varied discography. Nailed it. I don’t like everything the Beatles did, far from it, but there’s plenty I love. Just lit a Beatles tribute act at the Plaza and some of those songs are timeless. Of course I ended up with Obla Di Obla Bloodh Da stuck in my head though didn’t I? Couldn’t have been Come Together could it? I just find myself smirking at the fact that ObLaDi is from the same album as such shit and overrated songs, from a shit and over-rated boy band with guitars - such as Helter Skelter, Dear Prudence, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Blackbird, Birthday, Back in the USSR, Julia, etc.
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 19, 2024 11:58:51 GMT
They were a boy band in the sense of being a band formed of boys. But in terms of the modern idea of boy bands (which are not usually actually "bands" at all, they're just groups - which are entirely different) they just weren't. They formed in the traditional manner of "real" bands, that is a group of mates meeting to piss about with instruments, realising they actually could gig, and getting out and doing so. I'm not actually in that huge camp of people that would look to ostracise you for your view on this because musical tastes vary, it's allowed to like different things (I myself like some stuff that many would consider absolutely awful). But you're painting them incorrectly here. And by the way, I'm not a hugely blinkered fan of theirs either. They produced some utter bilge (in my opinion). They patently weren't a "boy band (see above) with guitars" though in any sense. They used literally hundreds of different instruments through their recording career. Lennon himself could play bass, banjo, piano and organ (amongst others - he could even play drums to a high standard, although the trope mentioned above is not of course true) to a high level as well as sing. McCartney's widely regarded one of the most gifted and wide ranging musicians on the planet (doesn't mean you can't not like his songs of course - but the cat can play literally everything). Harrison (and Lennon in particular) introduced instruments into modern recording which in some instances had rarely ever even been used in the Western world. Ringo was original, metronomically perfect, and the concrete in the band. He played live gigs in front of thousands of screaming people often with flimsy equipment and unmiked drums so unbeknown to most he played f*cking HARD and when they were gigging he held the music together (far more professional live than t'other three who tended to get carried away). They pretty much invented/popularised multi track recording and musical experimentation (at least to levels not seen previously - tape loops, reverse recording, innovation of arrangement, abstract and unusual lyricism and so forth). And they also went on to foment social discourse and cultural engagement. They were extremely influential in the psychedelic rock movement and were one of a group of musicians to spearhead the use of electronic synths and tools into their music so if you're a fan of any of those 80s electronic bands for example then you need to doff your cap to them (and others such as the Monkeys) for "inventing" it in essence. I could go further, but it's hard to change minds or force rethink when it comes to music so I won't. But I'd strongly urge you to move away from some of their earliest music and listen to some of their truly amazing stuff, from their middle or late string of albums. Some of it's as good as has ever been recorded. And this is from the hand of a once sceptic like you currently are. I hated them as a kid. Until my friends at college said "we're going to form a band and it's going to be a Beatles tribute band, do you fancy playing drums". Literally changed the course of my life. I get all that, but they just aren't my thing. I've got quite a wide range of music taste, but rock n roll is my favourite. Used to hate heavy rock, but it's my guilty pleasure now. I just love music with bollocks, so to speak. It's allowed mate. Beatles could rock out with bollocks though big time, just saying. But, impossible to persuade someone who doesn't like a band to change their mind. I've tried with people over the years and people have tried with me (some would be aghast at some of the stuff I simply don't find engaging - and at some of the stuff that I do). It's the gift of music in a way.
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Post by ebbs on Oct 19, 2024 12:20:51 GMT
Surely the very best of yellowboard where a thread about Lee Carsley and the England managers position ends up with a debate on whether the Beatles were actually that good and was Ringo a good drummer or not. Classic.
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Post by nelly on Oct 19, 2024 12:51:39 GMT
Surely the very best of yellowboard where a thread about Lee Carsley and the England managers position ends up with a debate on whether the Beatles were actually that good and was Ringo a good drummer or not. Classic. You couldn't paperback write it.
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 19, 2024 18:48:20 GMT
Surely the very best of yellowboard where a thread about Lee Carsley and the England managers position ends up with a debate on whether the Beatles were actually that good and was Ringo a good drummer or not. Classic. You couldn't paperback write it. The End
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 19, 2024 18:50:40 GMT
Surely the very best of yellowboard where a thread about Lee Carsley and the England managers position ends up with a debate on whether the Beatles were actually that good and was Ringo a good drummer or not. Classic. Best thing about this board by a mile is that it's like a drunken conversation between a group of close friends sometimes. Most other themed message boards the mods are complete pains in the arse about staying on topic and it kills open debate and discussion.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 20, 2024 8:23:27 GMT
Surely the very best of yellowboard where a thread about Lee Carsley and the England managers position ends up with a debate on whether the Beatles were actually that good and was Ringo a good drummer or not. Classic. Best thing about this board by a mile is that it's like a drunken conversation between a group of close friends sometimes. Most other themed message boards the mods are complete pains in the arse about staying on topic and it kills open debate and discussion. Might have to carry on with this thread if carsley appears on celebrity mastermind with his specialist subject being the beatles.
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Post by Fez on Oct 21, 2024 21:52:36 GMT
I prefer Lennon's solo stuff and can't stand McCartney's. "Wings: the band the Beatles could have been". ~ Alan Partridge.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Oct 22, 2024 14:00:43 GMT
Surely the very best of yellowboard where a thread about Lee Carsley and the England managers position ends up with a debate on whether the Beatles were actually that good and was Ringo a good drummer or not. Classic. Best thing about this board by a mile is that it's like a drunken conversation between a group of close friends sometimes. Most other themed message boards the mods are complete pains in the arse about staying on topic and it kills open debate and discussion. What do you think of Karen Carpenter as a drummer? I'd heard good things, and saw a clip the other day and to me (non-musician) she seemed absolutely awesome.
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Post by bigmartin on Oct 22, 2024 14:33:16 GMT
Best thing about this board by a mile is that it's like a drunken conversation between a group of close friends sometimes. Most other themed message boards the mods are complete pains in the arse about staying on topic and it kills open debate and discussion. What do you think of Karen Carpenter as a drummer? I'd heard good things, and saw a clip the other day and to me (non-musician) she seemed absolutely awesome. She was fantastic. As a percussionist and drummer both. I watch everything I can find of her. Seems she appeared on Sesame Street a good number of times back in the 70s. I think it's part of what broke her in the entertainment industry from what I can remember reading. Drumming's what she wanted to do and back then female drummers really weren't fashionable or even acceptable to the music industry. Not that I'm an aficionado on the subject of The Carpenters mind you. Bollocks really, considering how Honey Lantree smashed the bejeezus out of them, far better than some of the piss poor excuses for male 60s drummers. Yet neither of them were able to smash their way through that glass roof. Even to this day there's an anomaly in the numbers. Which is crazy when you think about it. You'd think drums was something of an even playing field. I can't fathom it at all. Unless it's simply not something deemed by women in music to be fashionable.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Oct 22, 2024 14:35:43 GMT
What do you think of Karen Carpenter as a drummer? I'd heard good things, and saw a clip the other day and to me (non-musician) she seemed absolutely awesome. She was fantastic. As a percussionist and drummer both. I watch everything I can find of her. Seems she appeared on Sesame Street a good number of times back in the 70s. I think it's part of what broke her in the entertainment industry from what I can remember reading. Drumming's what she wanted to do and back then female drummers really weren't fashionable or even acceptable to the music industry. Not that I'm an aficionado on the subject of The Carpenters mind you. Bollocks really, considering how Honey Lantree smashed the bejeezus out of them, far better than some of the piss poor excuses for male 60s drummers. Yet neither of them were able to smash their way through that glass roof. Even to this day there's an anomaly in the numbers. Which is crazy when you think about it. You'd think drums was something of an even playing field. I can't fathom it at all. Unless it's simply not something deemed by women in music to be fashionable. Possibly, but women have faced an unequal playing field in every aspect of life (with the exception of certain things like homemaking and looking after kids) since we climbed out of the trees.
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Post by kayem1 on Oct 22, 2024 15:15:21 GMT
What do you think of Karen Carpenter as a drummer? I'd heard good things, and saw a clip the other day and to me (non-musician) she seemed absolutely awesome. She was fantastic. As a percussionist and drummer both. I watch everything I can find of her. Seems she appeared on Sesame Street a good number of times back in the 70s. I think it's part of what broke her in the entertainment industry from what I can remember reading. Drumming's what she wanted to do and back then female drummers really weren't fashionable or even acceptable to the music industry. Not that I'm an aficionado on the subject of The Carpenters mind you. Bollocks really, considering how Honey Lantree smashed the bejeezus out of them, far better than some of the piss poor excuses for male 60s drummers. Yet neither of them were able to smash their way through that glass roof. Even to this day there's an anomaly in the numbers. Which is crazy when you think about it. You'd think drums was something of an even playing field. I can't fathom it at all. Unless it's simply not something deemed by women in music to be fashionable. A great drummer and Karen had a fantastic voice too. I was a Cream fan, so Ginger Baker was my go to drummer. When I met my wife 53 years ago, her choice of music was a little less Cream, but The Walker Brothers. But, we both settled on the Carpenters. When my wife was out, I would stick Cream on the stereo. When I was out, Mrs M would have the WB's on. When we were home together it would always be Carpenters.
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Post by Imposter on Oct 22, 2024 15:38:59 GMT
Best thing about this board by a mile is that it's like a drunken conversation between a group of close friends sometimes. Most other themed message boards the mods are complete pains in the arse about staying on topic and it kills open debate and discussion. What do you think of Karen Carpenter as a drummer? I'd heard good things, and saw a clip the other day and to me (non-musician) she seemed absolutely awesome. As far as drumming goes she's on top of the world...
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