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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jun 10, 2022 20:28:22 GMT
Anybody know anything about Asteer Planning LLP? They're the agents acting on behalf of the club. Been on their website but obviously they'll only say what they want you to see. www.asteerplanning.com |
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Post by philtheglass on Jun 10, 2022 20:40:27 GMT
That bit about a three year car park sent me west. The second bit sounds a little more promising. I do hope it’s not three years before we see any new stuff. We’re clearly outgrowing current capacity. I want to see behind the Pop Side and Railway cleared and loads of concrete and noise happening yesterday. Needs more urgency than where we are presently. I think the plan was always to do the Popside as a new Main Stand first. I thought maybe the rush for more capacity might make the order change (Railway End replacement would be less disruptive to current capacity as it could be built behind) but I guess not. I fully expect we will have seen some capacity increase before three years is up. I think we have to. Another 3 years will mean we'll be 5 years into Mark Stott's 7 year plan, & the fact that the space will be left open will make access with heavy machinery etc easier when redevelopment work eventually starts |
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Post by ancienthatter on Jun 10, 2022 20:45:51 GMT
I think the plan was always to do the Popside as a new Main Stand first. I thought maybe the rush for more capacity might make the order change (Railway End replacement would be less disruptive to current capacity as it could be built behind) but I guess not. I fully expect we will have seen some capacity increase before three years is up. I think we have to. Another 3 years will mean we'll be 5 years into Mark Stott's 7 year plan, & the fact that the space will be left open will make access with heavy machinery etc easier when redevelopment work eventually starts exactly what I thought.. the planning detail says the buildings will be demolished, steel fencing erected with a sliding gate and the area ‘gravelled’.. sounds more like securing land until a development starts. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jun 10, 2022 20:47:38 GMT
I think the plan was always to do the Popside as a new Main Stand first. I thought maybe the rush for more capacity might make the order change (Railway End replacement would be less disruptive to current capacity as it could be built behind) but I guess not. I fully expect we will have seen some capacity increase before three years is up. I think we have to. Another 3 years will mean we'll be 5 years into Mark Stott's 7 year plan, & the fact that the space will be left open will make access with heavy machinery etc easier when redevelopment work eventually starts The access element was a large part of the reason I always thought the Popside would be done first. It would certainly have been easier if the Booth Street development hadn’t already happened. I’ve read through most of the documents now. So it looks like the main reason behind it is that the Cheadle End car park is too small for all the extra parking requirements for media, etc., now we’re back in the league. This makes sense as the quickest solution. |
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Post by philtheglass on Jun 10, 2022 20:49:34 GMT
Anybody know anything about Asteer Planning LLP? They're the agents acting on behalf of the club. Been on their website but obviously they'll only say what they want you to see. www.asteerplanning.comWould imagine they've been involved in some capacity with Mark Stott's Vita apartment blocks He's recently opened a new place on the site of the old BBC building on Oxford Rd in Manchester
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Post by DaveLong79 on Jun 10, 2022 20:50:11 GMT
Another 3 years will mean we'll be 5 years into Mark Stott's 7 year plan, & the fact that the space will be left open will make access with heavy machinery etc easier when redevelopment work eventually starts The access element was a large part of the reason I always thought the Popside would be done first. It would certainly have been easier if the Booth Street development hadn’t already happened. I’ve read through most of the documents now. So it looks like the main reason behind it is that the Cheadle End car park is too small for all the extra parking requirements for media, etc., now we’re back in the league. This makes sense as the quickest solution. I understood it that way too. In the short term it'll be a car park, but kind of killing two birds with one stone in that it'll make access easier for future rebuilding in the medium term. |
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Post by philtheglass on Jun 10, 2022 20:53:38 GMT
Another 3 years will mean we'll be 5 years into Mark Stott's 7 year plan, & the fact that the space will be left open will make access with heavy machinery etc easier when redevelopment work eventually starts exactly what I thought.. the planning detail says the buildings will be demolished, steel fencing erected with a sliding gate and the area ‘gravelled’.. sounds more like securing land until a development starts. It'll be cleared & levelled, & used for parking then once we get the go ahead, they can go straight in |
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Post by ancienthatter on Jun 10, 2022 20:59:00 GMT
Another 3 years will mean we'll be 5 years into Mark Stott's 7 year plan, & the fact that the space will be left open will make access with heavy machinery etc easier when redevelopment work eventually starts The access element was a large part of the reason I always thought the Popside would be done first. It would certainly have been easier if the Booth Street development hadn’t already happened. I’ve read through most of the documents now. So it looks like the main reason behind it is that the Cheadle End car park is too small for all the extra parking requirements for media, etc., now we’re back in the league. This makes sense as the quickest solution. There wasn’t much media interested last time we were in League Two. But the car park would be far too small if there were construction vehicles clogging up the current car park. |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jun 10, 2022 21:01:22 GMT
The access element was a large part of the reason I always thought the Popside would be done first. It would certainly have been easier if the Booth Street development hadn’t already happened. I’ve read through most of the documents now. So it looks like the main reason behind it is that the Cheadle End car park is too small for all the extra parking requirements for media, etc., now we’re back in the league. This makes sense as the quickest solution. There wasn’t much media interested last time we were in League Two. But the car park would be far too small if there were construction vehicles clogging up the current car park. There is more media involved than when we were last in League Two. It even says on the application that all games are televised (I’m guessing that’s the ifollow model). Then there’s the stuff like the grass growing machine that is kept in the Cheadle End car park which is taking out a decent few spaces. |
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Post by Durango95 on Jun 10, 2022 22:15:44 GMT
I’m no architect but right at the beginning of the now Bergara Way development there was plans to build right up to the ground including a semi high rise right near the corner of the Pop and that was changed pretty radically and the plans revised significantly further back. This was just before Stott took over so obviously they have the nous.
Someone also (reported) outbid them to buying to bungalow and land in an attempt to hold the club to ransom. Good to see some big dick energy there, even if it’s cost us way more than it should’ve. It’s our manor and always has been.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jun 10, 2022 23:22:01 GMT
I’m no architect but right at the beginning of the now Bergara Way development there was plans to build right up to the ground including a semi high rise right near the corner of the Pop and that was changed pretty radically and the plans revised significantly further back. This was just before Stott took over so obviously they have the nous. Someone also (reported) outbid them to buying to bungalow and land in an attempt to hold the club to ransom. Good to see some big dick energy there, even if it’s cost us way more than it should’ve. It’s our manor and always has been. Yeah I remember the plans getting changed. Although I thought it happened after the takeover. Although given how long the takeover took it is possible someone was able to pre empt that little problematic triangle. You can still see the gap on drawings. |
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 11, 2022 8:40:05 GMT
Enough land to build a similar CE there, aside from parking. That’s when the land behind kicks in. And that'll stop those pesky residents watching from their bedroom windows, and getting on tv for big games. I know it's petty and about 12,465 on the list of things to put right, but I'll be happy when that gets sorted!! The club needs to keep the residants on side if they are going to have to suffer another CE close to their new house. A house they purchased with the ground in its present state so could have a legitimate gripe for future EP expansion of the RE. Everyone needs plans to go through smoothly and not have objections being thrown at us from every possible angle. |
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Post by Ngard on Jun 11, 2022 10:31:02 GMT
I think the plan was always to do the Popside as a new Main Stand first. I thought maybe the rush for more capacity might make the order change (Railway End replacement would be less disruptive to current capacity as it could be built behind) but I guess not. I fully expect we will have seen some capacity increase before three years is up. I think we have to. Also on that, a three year planning application doesn’t mean it would be a car park for three years. Could be that they plan on redeveloping starting a year or two from now but want the cushion in case of delays. It’s basically standard practice in cities, they apply for a car park so they can earn revenue whilst they finalise the development and wait for planning permission. I don’t know how big the land is but wouldn’t surprise me if it will be used for paid match day or corporate parking. |
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Jun 11, 2022 10:32:35 GMT
Also on that, a three year planning application doesn’t mean it would be a car park for three years. Could be that they plan on redeveloping starting a year or two from now but want the cushion in case of delays. It’s basically standard practice in cities, they apply for a car park so they can earn revenue whilst they finalise the development and wait for planning permission. I don’t know how big the land is but wouldn’t surprise me if it will be used for paid match day or corporate parking. They’ve said it’s for press and media haven’t they? |
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Post by Ngard on Jun 11, 2022 10:33:25 GMT
Also I didn’t realise until my holiday that Stott/Vita also have properties in Barcelona!
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