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Post by Durango95 on Sept 21, 2022 21:51:50 GMT
People need to relax a little. We’re not fan owned or need volunteers to assist anymore thankfully.
We’ve got proper experts with lots of money who’ll have it all worked out from top to bottom. Just enjoy what’s coming.
The only negative will be the divs who live near a football ground but dislike County objecting to any plans.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 21, 2022 22:07:21 GMT
That's a short term issue that will be fixed in future. The current issues facing the trains won't carry on long-term anymore than the current issues around the team and results will impair long-term plans or progress. I’d love to get the train from the Humber Riviera to home matches, there’s no chance at the minute, multiple services a day are cancelled on the day. I’ve seen no sign whatsoever that anyone has any interest is sorting the situation out, I think the trains are being deliberately run down to reduce demand and give justification to further reduce services and lower subsidies required (and as retribution against striking staff) Agree. I go to Leeds 2/3 times a week and every single time there’s at least one ‘fast’ service (still takes 50 mins) cancelled, on Tuesday it was two; but the 8am and 8:15am. Been like this most of the year. Pretty sure those services will just stop running soon.
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Post by desmond on Sept 21, 2022 22:11:07 GMT
People need to relax a little. We’re not fan owned or need volunteers to assist anymore thankfully. We’ve got proper experts with lots of money who’ll have it all worked out from top to bottom. Just enjoy what’s coming. The only negative will be the divs who live near a football ground but dislike County objecting to any plans. Already seen a few “can’t sell the current seats” on social media, as you’d probably guess they are coming from City fans who live in Stockport.
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Post by since67 on Sept 21, 2022 23:43:07 GMT
More info here. Attachments:
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Post by since67 on Sept 21, 2022 23:45:46 GMT
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Post by stevie57 on Sept 22, 2022 6:10:40 GMT
Agree with most of the sensible comments on here, though one or two things come to mind that will need to be covered in the details that will come later.
Along with the stadium developments, I hope some consideration will be given to ensuring the pitch itself has every underground modern con built in - drainage, heating and so forth; a larger South stand will reduce significantly the already limited sunlight on the Pop Side side of the pitch which struggles anyway at times during the winter. A similar issue may arise with a new higher Railway End. (The San Siro in Milan had a third tier built for Italia 90 - it wrecked the pitch for years to come - and cost a fortune to try to remedy).
The Main Stand besides being extended will presumably be re-roofed; the stanchions obviously need removing, but will it also include building into the roof a proper modern new eyrie for Jon Keighren and the TV facilities, or will it and JK go in the new South Stand ? First thoughts are that TV should be moved to the Main Stand.
Maintaining the distinctive frontage of the Main Stand - if done well - should ensure EP keeps some proper character so often lacking in some modern stadiums; I expect the Vita teams to get this right, though it will be interesting to see just how bold they are with the design as so often, compromises can be a disappointment both aesthetically and functionally.
An appropriate spot for the Danny statue needs building into the plans, not just stuck somewhere in a spare place (I like the frog as well); similarly, will there be a museum (or suchlike) space built in ?
I presume the club are working very closely with the Council over this which I expect to help deal with any potential objections; neighbouring Tameside Council used their extensive powers to pretty much bulldoze their way through mass objections to the controversial Godley Green development near Hyde, and whilst Stockport Council has to be more mindful of objections, support from the relevant Officers, and then Planning, should prevent any major issues relating to this project.
I think a proactive campaign in favour of the overall proposals will be important. Whilst legitimate objections should be heard, they should be set in the context of widespread support from the local community which means us all encouraging shops, businesses, locals and everyone else to make sure the positive responses far outweigh the inevitable moaners and objectors who normally, would be rather more likely to respond to any formal consultation.
Be interesting to see in the plans any ideas and proposals for the use of the stadium outside match days beyond what we already have.
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Post by tgttiw on Sept 22, 2022 7:13:59 GMT
It'd be interesting to know what people feel the biggest barriers to such plans being approved and going ahead are? For me it is the travel arrangements / travel plan. It seems clear already from social media that this is the one thing that Will cause objections. It needs to be comprehensive and innovative. Not, "no parking/driving at all" but minimal driving/parking. Much wider promotion on website/social media/programme how to get to EP from bus station/train station/A6/Town centre. Similar publication of the buses that run along Mercian Way. Promotion by way of articles of interesting walking routes from parts of Stockport to EP. Enhanced cycle parking. Deals with bus companies so they advertise EP/County on their destination boards. Deals with TFGM and Avanti for more enhanced signage/publicity of how to get to EP from the bus and train station. Deals with bus companies on cheap/free matchday travel in Stockport/locally with a match ticket/season card. Posters at the local rail stations that feed into Stockport with matchday train times and a map of how to get to EP from the station. Deals with those who own/run the car parks at the college, town hall/municipal area, rail station multistorey to use these for matchday parking as they are very poorly used at weekends and evenings. Park and ride around the car parks and town centre. A digital or paper copy of the travel plan being sent/given to every season card holder/buyer, first time ticket buyer, and organiser of free ticket visits, any organiser of non-matchday events. Perhaps if the club ever did fixture posters to go up in pubs and clubs across the area (like young Des Hinks IIRC spent so long across town putting up a few years ago) these could be personalised to the pub to show the best way to EP on public transport minimising the time spent away from the pub. I realise not all of these probably will happen or can happen. But it needs to be as innovative, forward-thinking, and comprehensive as possible as I think this us going to be the one area where we're going to have a lot of pushback from local residents citing/whinging about traffic problems. I'd love to be able to go to the match on the train. It's £27.40 return from horsforth compared to £10 diesel. Mrs tgttiw could have the car and everyone is a winner. To get cheap tickets I have to book train only on the slow line via Halifax but it's not that cheap and painfully slow. Would it not be an idea to get the club to work with the Railway and get a Saturday only football special from stalybridge to stockport? Stopping at for bridge Denton Stockport? It'll be very popular bringing our tameside fan base and then for people like me connecting with the trans I pennine route. Also the train spotting community would love it they travel from across the country to get the Friday train to stalybridge.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Sept 22, 2022 7:24:33 GMT
The Main Stand besides being extended will presumably be re-roofed; the stanchions obviously need removing, but will it also include building into the roof a proper modern new eyrie for Jon Keighren and the TV facilities, or will it and JK go in the new South Stand ? First thoughts are that TV should be moved to the Main Stand. Maintaining the distinctive frontage of the Main Stand - if done well - should ensure EP keeps some proper character so often lacking in some modern stadiums; I expect the Vita teams to get this right, though it will be interesting to see just how bold they are with the design as so often, compromises can be a disappointment both aesthetically and functionally. I'm not sure you could extend the main stand, at its current height, without needing stanchions. You'd either need a cantilever support, which would change its façade significantly, or a goalpost-style - as with the CE, or at Blackburn, for example - which would probably mean the stand would need to be twice as high as it is at the moment, and given the extra seats are proposed to be from 2079 t0 3500, this clearly isn't something under consideration. Obviously we'll see the plans, and we're probably about 7-8 years away at the earliest anyway, but I suspect if we want to keep the facade and just extend the existing roof at its current height, it'll mean stanchions.
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Post by muddywaters on Sept 22, 2022 8:33:02 GMT
It’ll take a while to get out of there after the match There are going to be water taxis on the reservoir Yes get some themed boats and create the full Disney experience to attract the youngsters !
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 22, 2022 8:38:38 GMT
In reply to tgttiw and imposters good plans for better public transport links for fans is all well and good. Fine if the team is going well but not on a rainy day if the stuff on offer is like our last league game was. It will involve a walk to a bus stop or train station both ways and be piss wet through just getting to EP. Fine, many older fans did this every week but the world has changed. Have a park and ride from the town centre but this has to be paid for either by fans or the club. For me if everything did work out well for the club and we attract 10 to 15k County fans every home match many of these new fans will be from outside the area and EP will become like a mighty supermarket that forgets to thinking about car parking when they build it.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 22, 2022 8:39:45 GMT
There are going to be water taxis on the reservoir Yes get some themed boats and create the full Disney experience to attract the youngsters ! We had better be quick as wrexhams owners will be looking to do that already.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 22, 2022 8:50:53 GMT
Maintaining the distinctive frontage of the Main Stand - if done well - should ensure EP keeps some proper character so often lacking in some modern stadiums; I expect the Vita teams to get this right, though it will be interesting to see just how bold they are with the design as so often, compromises can be a disappointment both aesthetically and functionally. Forit is. me i,d leave the Main Stand as it is. When you look at house extensions they stand out a mile from the original building in looks alone. The only problem that may occur was how the stand will look against the other three sides. Could end up EP looking a bit watford like before they demolished the old stand. Before the ground was re developed it was a stand that looked fine but then became an eyesore through no fault of its own. Would fans actually sacrifice the frontage to fully modernise the ground or would do anything in their power to keep it is. Personally i could be persuaded on either actions really.
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Post by Imposter on Sept 22, 2022 8:55:06 GMT
In reply to tgttiw and imposters good plans for better public transport links for fans is all well and good. Fine if the team is going well but not on a rainy day if the stuff on offer is like our last league game was. It will involve a walk to a bus stop or train station both ways and be piss wet through just getting to EP. Fine, many older fans did this every week but the world has changed. Have a park and ride from the town centre but this has to be paid for either by fans or the club. For me if everything did work out well for the club and we attract 10 to 15k County fans every home match many of these new fans will be from outside the area and EP will become like a mighty supermarket that forgets to thinking about car parking when they build it. With extremely limited parking at the ground and rigorous parking permit schemes in place you'd face a long wet walk back to your car anyway.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 22, 2022 9:10:59 GMT
In reply to tgttiw and imposters good plans for better public transport links for fans is all well and good. Fine if the team is going well but not on a rainy day if the stuff on offer is like our last league game was. It will involve a walk to a bus stop or train station both ways and be piss wet through just getting to EP. Fine, many older fans did this every week but the world has changed. Have a park and ride from the town centre but this has to be paid for either by fans or the club. For me if everything did work out well for the club and we attract 10 to 15k County fans every home match many of these new fans will be from outside the area and EP will become like a mighty supermarket that forgets to thinking about car parking when they build it. With extremely limited parking at the ground and rigorous parking permit schemes in place you'd face a long wet walk back to your car anyway. So really should the club be looking at moving from EP. Think most would be against this including me as i do not mind getting to the ground a couple of hours before KO. Others either cannot or unwilling to do this and equally unwilling for various reasons to use any type of public transport to come. There are more than the issue of size to think about and discuss before the bulldozers arrive.
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Post by Imposter on Sept 22, 2022 9:22:40 GMT
With extremely limited parking at the ground and rigorous parking permit schemes in place you'd face a long wet walk back to your car anyway. So really should the club be looking at moving from EP. Think most would be against this including me as i do not mind getting to the ground a couple of hours before KO. Others either cannot or unwilling to do this and equally unwilling for various reasons to use any type of public transport to come. There are more than the issue of size to think about and discuss before the bulldozers arrive. I don't think not being able to park right next to the ground will be the make or break issue that makes someone decide not to come to County. And for evert person that is the case for there will be plenty more who are happy to make alternative arrangements, park further away and walk, walk, public transport, park and ride. Especially so if you present not driving to games as the norm, whilst emphasising both the lack of nearby parking and the central-ish location and great provision of public transport.
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