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Post by timberwolf on Jan 14, 2021 9:48:58 GMT
And not just enough moving seats till fill a new Pop Side, but getting enough supporters through the door in general. We rarely got near a full house in the heady days of the Championship, so not sure what our actual potential is in terms of a regular attendance? Would we ever get 10 to 15,000 on a regular basis (outside of the Premier League)? Donny and rotherham are similar towns to stockport. Both clubs had investment and now get more than they used to. Lots more examples of that, Swansea. We do things right we could easily be another rotherham think the examples you used saw improvements on the pitch for these clubs on top of moving into a brand new stadium. in donny rovers case their fanbase has stayed with them somewhat after relagation from the championship. got to go with gibbo on this as EP at present is hardly in the falling down stage as belle vue was or delights of meadowbank sports arena. doubt anyone is put off visiting EP like they were at the old shay and their attendances never really went up after all the work there was done. no what is done and where the club are on the pitch there is a maximum number of fans that will buy into the club. |
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Jan 14, 2021 19:19:42 GMT
So if we were to build an all singing all dancing expensive new stand on the pop side then it would only be worth it if people are going to sit in it. At the moment if we minus the free ticket intiative we have a couple of hundred at best sat in there, it would need people to move fron the cheadle end and make that their new regular spot or it would look a bit ridiculous it sat empty on home games. Who would be willing to leave the cheadle end an adopt a new side on view? And not just enough moving seats till fill a new Pop Side, but getting enough supporters through the door in general. We rarely got near a full house in the heady days of the Championship, so not sure what our actual potential is in terms of a regular attendance? Would we ever get 10 to 15,000 on a regular basis (outside of the Premier League)? Good point.. we've only had an average attendance of over 8000 once in the last 50 years... it'll be a brave move to be increasing the capacity to 15k or more. Good luck to those making the decisions and those who are paying for any potential development. |
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Post by suedehead on Jan 14, 2021 19:57:38 GMT
And not just enough moving seats till fill a new Pop Side, but getting enough supporters through the door in general. We rarely got near a full house in the heady days of the Championship, so not sure what our actual potential is in terms of a regular attendance? Would we ever get 10 to 15,000 on a regular basis (outside of the Premier League)? Good point.. we've only had an average attendance of over 8000 once in the last 50 years... it'll be a brave move to be increasing the capacity to 15k or more. Good luck to those making the decisions and those who are paying for any potential development. It’ll all be different once we’re back. Attendances at every club will be up. I think we could be doing 6k minimum every week, even in non league. |
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Post by BWScarf on Jan 14, 2021 20:13:50 GMT
And not just enough moving seats till fill a new Pop Side, but getting enough supporters through the door in general. We rarely got near a full house in the heady days of the Championship, so not sure what our actual potential is in terms of a regular attendance? Would we ever get 10 to 15,000 on a regular basis (outside of the Premier League)? Good point.. we've only had an average attendance of over 8000 once in the last 50 years... it'll be a brave move to be increasing the capacity to 15k or more. Good luck to those making the decisions and those who are paying for any potential development. Yep. People are really going to cherish what they've missed. |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Jan 14, 2021 21:18:36 GMT
Good point.. we've only had an average attendance of over 8000 once in the last 50 years... it'll be a brave move to be increasing the capacity to 15k or more. Good luck to those making the decisions and those who are paying for any potential development. It’ll all be different once we’re back. Attendances at every club will be up. I think we could be doing 6k minimum every week, even in non league. Yes: in the first year in the Championship (97-98) County averaged around 8,300, helped by the fact they had several sell-outs of what was then of course a bigger ground, as the Railway end was still a standing terrace. The registered capacity then was 12,160, compared to today's figure of 10,800.
But even that current figure probably wouldn't all be available these days, as segregation requirements would almost certainly see at least 400 lopped off the capacity. Simply sorting out better exits from the Railway and Pop stands could restore that lost capacity, but it'd still be almost 1400 less than it was 25 years ago.
The fact is that County would certainly need an increased capacity, to accommodate occasional much larger attendances, if they were to hope to average much over 8,000. County are without doubt one of the best-supported teams in the National league, and would be in League 2 as well: their average attendance over the past 5 seasons has steadily risen (by 41%) to reach 4,341 at the point last season was terminated, with several crucial games still to play. An average for last season approaching 5,000 was seeming eminently possible, had the league been allowed to go on. And I for one would have put money on this season's average figure (bearing in mind the feelgood factor of the takeover and the encouraging league position) being nearer to 6,000 than 5,000.
So yes... if and when fans are allowed back, I can see County comfortably averaging 6,000 per game, with one or two games, even at National league level, getting close to the usable capacity. And if the aim, as it surely must be, is not just to accommodate larger numbers of visiting fans, but also to steadily build on the existing impressive County fanbase, expansion of Edgeley Park is essential. It would be nice if it all happened overnight, but that is neither likely nor actually necessary. It can be done in relatively small increments, capacity-wise, and I'd suggest 15,000 is not an unreasonable figure to aim for eventually.
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Post by Roman on Jan 14, 2021 22:39:33 GMT
I know of 8 people that are going to start coming regularly after this. All of them have only been once or twice before but due to the new owners, the quality of improvements already in the facilities, the media attention and quality of media coverage. As we move up the leagues and improve the stadium I definitely think we will start seeing 10,000 regularly attending.
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Post by tgttiw on Jan 15, 2021 6:49:12 GMT
I know of 8 people that are going to start coming regularly after this. All of them have only been once or twice before but due to the new owners, the quality of improvements already in the facilities, the media attention and quality of media coverage. As we move up the leagues and improve the stadium I definitely think we will start seeing 10,000 regularly attending. I know this sounds sad but the new Cheadle end impressed me when I first started going on a regular basis. I was 15, not a county fan. I was a liverpool fan as my family were ex season ticket holders and I watched local games to glossop on a weekend. I went to glossop north end a bit of stalybridge, hyde sometimes, and Oldham. However county won out on atmosphere and ease of access and it was £3 for a kid. Oldham is a right ball ache to get to from glossop on a bus, bus to Ashton bus to Oldham. Under my own steam wouldn't be home till 7, whereas county I'd be back by 5.50 by train. Once to started going on a regular basis I was completely hooked and bought a season ticket the year after. I was 40 in August so that makes 25 years. Yikes. I think ground improvements took us from being like morecambe to the next level. I think more ground improvements will take us to the level of rotherham, donny, and potentially Barnsley. The area around stockport has enough people to create a large fan base. |
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Post by stonerose on Jan 15, 2021 11:19:02 GMT
It's been mentioned loads of times but I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be getting 7/8k plus when we are finally allowed to attend to games. We can then build on that and extend our presence in places like Glossop, the High Peak, Tameside and parts of Stockport that the Abu Dhabi FC claim to be on their patch.
The ongoing hard work in schools, vastly improved facilities and a more professional club in general should make us appealing when people are allowed to get back to living a normal life.
If Donny, Rotherham and Lincoln and can grow from the relatively poor crowds that they used to get there's no reason why we can't have a good crack at growing our fanbase and capturing the next generation.
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Post by timberwolf on Jan 15, 2021 11:29:39 GMT
nor sure people will be rushing back to football once crowds are back. the virus is not just going away even if its at such a low level that allows fans to go back in their old numbers. may take a few years to get everyone back as i doubt those who are really shit scared at the moment will stop being overnight. the media may help if they attempt to give these people confidence that they shot 10 months ago.
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Post by Imposter on Jan 15, 2021 13:55:00 GMT
It's been mentioned loads of times but I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be getting 7/8k plus when we are finally allowed to attend to games. We can then build on that and extend our presence in places like Glossop, the High Peak, Tameside and parts of Stockport that the Abu Dhabi FC claim to be on their patch. The ongoing hard work in schools, vastly improved facilities and a more professional club in general should make us appealing when people are allowed to get back to living a normal life. If Donny, Rotherham and Lincoln and can grow from the relatively poor crowds that they used to get there's no reason why we can't have a good crack at growing our fanbase and capturing the next generation. Add in North Cheshire - Poynton, Macc, Wilmslow, Alderley Edge, etc...South Manchester - Burnage, Didsbury, Wythenshawe, etc... ad well. |
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Post by stonerose on Jan 15, 2021 14:19:02 GMT
It's been mentioned loads of times but I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be getting 7/8k plus when we are finally allowed to attend to games. We can then build on that and extend our presence in places like Glossop, the High Peak, Tameside and parts of Stockport that the Abu Dhabi FC claim to be on their patch. The ongoing hard work in schools, vastly improved facilities and a more professional club in general should make us appealing when people are allowed to get back to living a normal life. If Donny, Rotherham and Lincoln and can grow from the relatively poor crowds that they used to get there's no reason why we can't have a good crack at growing our fanbase and capturing the next generation. Add in North Cheshire - Poynton, Macc, Wilmslow, Alderley Edge, etc...South Manchester - Burnage, Didsbury, Wythenshawe, etc... ad well. Yeah and them, there's also a chance that we might find a few talented kids for the academy if we are casting the net wider on the school coaching visits. The work that we do in the community is really important in growing us as a club, give the kids a tangible relationship with the players and manager, something that they wouldn't get elsewhere locally. It means loads for young impressionable kids to have that kind of access. |
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Post by BWScarf on Jan 15, 2021 14:29:42 GMT
nor sure people will be rushing back to football once crowds are back. the virus is not just going away even if its at such a low level that allows fans to go back in their old numbers. may take a few years to get everyone back as i doubt those who are really shit scared at the moment will stop being overnight. the media may help if they attempt to give these people confidence that they shot 10 months ago. Lol, as if it’s the media’s fault there’s a deadly virus going round killing people like nobody’s business. Dear me. |
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Post by timberwolf on Jan 16, 2021 9:14:46 GMT
Lol, as if it’s the media’s fault there’s a deadly virus going round killing people like nobody’s business. Dear me. no its not, but some of the reporting has stretched the real truth somewhat and instead of attempting to reassure the population it had a complete opposite affect on many. death knocking at your door. for petes sake how did that help at the outset. being concerned about something and being shit scared where some are still frightened to leave their homes are two different things. |
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Post by BWScarf on Jan 16, 2021 10:36:17 GMT
Lol, as if it’s the media’s fault there’s a deadly virus going round killing people like nobody’s business. Dear me. no its not, but some of the reporting has stretched the real truth somewhat and instead of attempting to reassure the population it had a complete opposite affect on many. death knocking at your door. for petes sake how did that help at the outset. being concerned about something and being shit scared where some are still frightened to leave their homes are two different things. Well, as someone who literally works in the news, I disagree strongly with the accuracy of this. But what do I know. |
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Post by timberwolf on Jan 16, 2021 10:54:04 GMT
no its not, but some of the reporting has stretched the real truth somewhat and instead of attempting to reassure the population it had a complete opposite affect on many. death knocking at your door. for petes sake how did that help at the outset. being concerned about something and being shit scared where some are still frightened to leave their homes are two different things. Well, as someone who literally works in the news, I disagree strongly with the accuracy of this. But what do I know. highest number of deaths since WW2 for a start. there was a year in the early 2000,s beating them both. even if the statement was correct does it help publishing something that no one can do anything about but frightening some people. |
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