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Post by darkhorse on May 22, 2020 22:01:37 GMT
I don't know what is about Vale Park compared to similar sized stadiums such as say Prenton Park and Meadow Lane when you see it on TV, it's really f***ing bleak.
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Post by canterbury on May 22, 2020 22:06:03 GMT
even as a league 1 or 2 club we,d only sell out if we played city or dungers in the fa cup with 15,000 capacity. how many sell outs did we get in the second tier when we were in it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 22:09:43 GMT
I've only ever been on there about 4 times, like you say both ends behind goals always empty orange seats on TV. They scored a late goal at their home end v us in play offs 90s and it erupted, ground was pretty full...and I was gutted because we missed some sitters that night.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on May 22, 2020 22:19:54 GMT
Just out of interest....
Has the main stand always been the size it is now?
Has it ever been the full length of the pitch?
If not, then does anyone know why it isn't the full length of the pitch?
Seems odd really, considering the pop side is the full length.
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Post by County1999 on May 22, 2020 23:37:35 GMT
Just out of interest.... Has the main stand always been the size it is now? Has it ever been the full length of the pitch? If not, then does anyone know why it isn't the full length of the pitch? Seems odd really, considering the pop side is the full length. The Main Stand has always been it's current length. Odd but I guess that was all the funds would stretch to at the time. Funny to see how the road would be widened when the stand was built, perhaps to prevent a reoccurrence of the fire damage in 1935.  |
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Post by edinburghhatter on May 23, 2020 0:27:12 GMT
Just out of interest.... Has the main stand always been the size it is now? Has it ever been the full length of the pitch? If not, then does anyone know why it isn't the full length of the pitch? Seems odd really, considering the pop side is the full length. The current Main stand was built to replace the original wooden one (built around 1913) after the latter burned down in 1935. It's always been the same size as it is now (apart from the bit added towards the Cheadle end turnstiles in the 1990s.)
However, the original wooden stand was not quite the same footprint as the current one: it was much lower, with fewer rows of seats (old photos suggest maybe as few as 6 or 7?) with a low area of terracing in front, and so it didn't intrude as far towards the present touchline: in other words, the pitch was appreciably wider in those days. Which incidentally was also the reason the old Cheadle end stand (demolished in 1985) projected quite a way past the corner flag on the Main stand side of the ground.
And no, the original wooden stand didn't run the full length of the pitch either: there exists somewhere an old photo showing a wooden shed-like structure, at one end of the stand at least; this could have been the changing-rooms, and there were certainly turnstiles at each end.
When the new stand was originally planned, it was shown on a drawing I have somewhere (but now can't locate) to be rather longer, and with a couple more roof supports, than was eventually built... doubtless cost played a part in what County ended up with. It cost £7,000 by the way, which equates to around £490,000 in today's money: I think you'd struggle to get a 2000 seat stand for half a million these days!
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Post by timberwolf on May 23, 2020 8:06:07 GMT
problem with having the main stand extended the length of the pitch is how are people going to enter the ground to the railway end and cheadle stand especially. things need to be done in steps anyway. roof on the railway end then redevelop and enlarge the pop side. even this should come second after re roof of the moan and any under the stand improvements. its not as if premier league football is going to arrive at EP any time soon. last time i looked we were still a non league football club.
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Post by CB1883 on May 23, 2020 8:29:01 GMT
problem with having the main stand extended the length of the pitch is how are people going to enter the ground to the railway end and cheadle stand especially. things need to be done in steps anyway. roof on the railway end then redevelop and enlarge the pop side. even this should come second after re roof of the moan and any under the stand improvements. its not as if premier league football is going to arrive at EP any time soon. last time i looked we were still a non league football club. I’d leave the Railway End until later in the development. If it’s true that the land behind is now off the planning for the Booth Street developments then that space would allow for access. I’d do something along the lines of; 1. Pop Side: New two tiered stand with boxes. 2. Main Stand: Extend to full length of the pitch and be a single tiered copy of the ‘new’ Pop Side (keeping Stockport County AFC of course!) 3. Railway End: A more pleasing on the eye two tiered stand. 4. Cheadle End: A copy of the above 5. Fill in corners between Cheadle End/Popside, Popside/Railway End & Popside/Main Stand. Leave Cheadle End/Main Stand open to ease the congestion when fans are leaving, providing that’s still the stand of choice when all complete. 6. Win the Champions League without conceding a goal. I think doing it in order of the above will reduce the risk of the ground ever being too small at any given point. |
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Post by Imposter on May 23, 2020 9:07:22 GMT
problem with having the main stand extended the length of the pitch is how are people going to enter the ground to the railway end and cheadle stand especially. things need to be done in steps anyway. roof on the railway end then redevelop and enlarge the pop side. even this should come second after re roof of the moan and any under the stand improvements. its not as if premier league football is going to arrive at EP any time soon. last time i looked we were still a non league football club. I’d leave the Railway End until later in the development. If it’s true that the land behind is now off the planning for the Booth Street developments then that space would allow for access. I’d do something along the lines of; 1. Pop Side: New two tiered stand with boxes. 2. Main Stand: Extend to full length of the pitch and be a single tiered copy of the ‘new’ Pop Side (keeping Stockport County AFC of course!) 3. Railway End: A more pleasing on the eye two tiered stand. 4. Cheadle End: A copy of the above 5. Fill in corners between Cheadle End/Popside, Popside/Railway End & Popside/Main Stand. Leave Cheadle End/Main Stand open to ease the congestion when fans are leaving, providing that’s still the stand of choice when all complete. 6. Win the Champions League without conceding a goal. I think doing it in order of the above will reduce the risk of the ground ever being too small at any given point. Filling in the corners between the Popside and Main Stand might leave us without a pitch 😉😛 |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 23, 2020 9:37:12 GMT
problem with having the main stand extended the length of the pitch is how are people going to enter the ground to the railway end and cheadle stand especially. things need to be done in steps anyway. roof on the railway end then redevelop and enlarge the pop side. even this should come second after re roof of the moan and any under the stand improvements. its not as if premier league football is going to arrive at EP any time soon. last time i looked we were still a non league football club. I’d leave the Railway End until later in the development. If it’s true that the land behind is now off the planning for the Booth Street developments then that space would allow for access. I’d do something along the lines of; 1. Pop Side: New two tiered stand with boxes. 2. Main Stand: Extend to full length of the pitch and be a single tiered copy of the ‘new’ Pop Side (keeping Stockport County AFC of course!) 3. Railway End: A more pleasing on the eye two tiered stand. 4. Cheadle End: A copy of the above 5. Fill in corners between Cheadle End/Popside, Popside/Railway End & Popside/Main Stand. Leave Cheadle End/Main Stand open to ease the congestion when fans are leaving, providing that’s still the stand of choice when all complete. 6. Win the Champions League without conceding a goal. I think doing it in order of the above will reduce the risk of the ground ever being too small at any given point. I’d extend the Main Stand last. The urgent thing there is putting a new roof on it. Any other immediate capacity increases would be better served with new stands elsewhere. Not to mention we would need the new club offices a new stand on the Popular Side would provide before any kind of major Main Stand work could take place. |
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Post by CB1883 on May 23, 2020 9:37:54 GMT
I’d leave the Railway End until later in the development. If it’s true that the land behind is now off the planning for the Booth Street developments then that space would allow for access. I’d do something along the lines of; 1. Pop Side: New two tiered stand with boxes. 2. Main Stand: Extend to full length of the pitch and be a single tiered copy of the ‘new’ Pop Side (keeping Stockport County AFC of course!) 3. Railway End: A more pleasing on the eye two tiered stand. 4. Cheadle End: A copy of the above 5. Fill in corners between Cheadle End/Popside, Popside/Railway End & Popside/Main Stand. Leave Cheadle End/Main Stand open to ease the congestion when fans are leaving, providing that’s still the stand of choice when all complete. 6. Win the Champions League without conceding a goal. I think doing it in order of the above will reduce the risk of the ground ever being too small at any given point. Filling in the corners between the Popside and Main Stand might leave us without a pitch 😉😛 Damn. At least it would guarantee number 6 for the home games at least. |
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Post by Imposter on May 23, 2020 9:57:46 GMT
Did you know the Main Stand was opened on the same day as the Main Stand at Highbury, Arsenal.
The chairman of the Football League, Charles Sutcliffe went to see the big club's new stand being opened...at Edgeley Park 😉
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Post by hedleyverity on May 23, 2020 10:02:36 GMT
I wouldn't fill corners in, much prefer separate stands
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Post by HTC on May 23, 2020 10:17:28 GMT
I’d look to fill in the corner between pop side and railway end, but that would be the only one. It seems a relatively easy way to expand capacity without needing major refurbishment work if it’s done at the same time as the roof on the railway end.
Of course, I may be completely underestimating the engineering challenges there...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 11:15:34 GMT
If its all about statistics and numbers which I know it shouldnt be the Cheadle End capacity is apparently 5044 and the Railway 1366 so in theory we dont need the main stand nor the Pop side to accomodate our typical avarage home gate.
If our new owners want to radically develop the stadium and they are very good at property development, the site could have great potential for them. Lets hope they consult with the supporters even though they have no obligation to do so, as owners they can do what they want of course but we need to keep our history and heritage in tact thats for sure.
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