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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 14, 2021 17:07:12 GMT
Yep, all of the ones near us were loose and some even had no nuts. Fnarr. My son leaned back slightly and the seat almost came away because it wasn't properly attached. They'll last five minutes unless someone takes responsibility for it and gets it fixed. Got to welcome them smartening things up but it's pointless if it's done in a half arsed way. I hope someone has raised this with the club because you’re right, they’ll barely last 5 minutes if they aren’t fitted properly. Even with hand tools only it takes barely any time to put a nut on a bolt. |
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Post by popeye on Aug 14, 2021 17:17:46 GMT
Yep, all of the ones near us were loose and some even had no nuts. Fnarr. My son leaned back slightly and the seat almost came away because it wasn't properly attached. They'll last five minutes unless someone takes responsibility for it and gets it fixed. Got to welcome them smartening things up but it's pointless if it's done in a half arsed way. I hope someone has raised this with the club because you’re right, they’ll barely last 5 minutes if they aren’t fitted properly. Even with hand tools only it takes barely any time to put a nut on a bolt. Should be using Nylocs so they don’t come loose |
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Post by someoneelse on Aug 14, 2021 17:35:09 GMT
Yep, all of the ones near us were loose and some even had no nuts. Fnarr. My son leaned back slightly and the seat almost came away because it wasn't properly attached. They'll last five minutes unless someone takes responsibility for it and gets it fixed. Got to welcome them smartening things up but it's pointless if it's done in a half arsed way. I hope someone has raised this with the club because you’re right, they’ll barely last 5 minutes if they aren’t fitted properly. Even with hand tools only it takes barely any time to put a nut on a bolt. I'd raise it but of the last five emails I sent the club, 4 were ignored and one received a cursory response. Not much better on the phone either. Hopefully I'm just unlucky. |
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Post by hatter82 on Aug 14, 2021 17:57:16 GMT
Was anyone notified that the areas in the cheadle end wasn’t even finished? Tickets I had were for seats that wasn’t even finished. The ones I did sit in the seats were all loose
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Post by Ngard on Aug 14, 2021 17:58:25 GMT
UT2 seats were filthy too. Caked in about 2 years of dust, which as an asthmatic where dust is a trigger for me is a bit disappointing that I had to whack out the inhaler and wipe down a few seats around me.
I get the dust has accumulated through lack of use because of COVID, but when you’re putting out nice statements on the website about the great refurbishment work and replacing 5000 seats, doesn’t take too much to wipe or hose them down ready for spectators?
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Post by edinburghhatter on Aug 14, 2021 19:53:53 GMT
UT2 seats were filthy too. Caked in about 2 years of dust, which as an asthmatic where dust is a trigger for me is a bit disappointing that I had to whack out the inhaler and wipe down a few seats around me.
I get the dust has accumulated through lack of use because of COVID, but when you’re putting out nice statements on the website about the great refurbishment work and replacing 5000 seats, doesn’t take too much to wipe or hose them down ready for spectators? Looks like the clearly stated promise from the club that "all 5180 seats in the Cheadle End are to be replaced" has fallen considerably short of being delivered....
I wonder how much of the dust is due to the fitting of anti-pigeon netting? Regardless, if they're as bad as reported, they should immediately be calling in professional cleaners who can do the job properly. And then checking it's been done right.
As for loose/missing bolts in the lower tier seats, that's surely down to either using the wrong kit and/or a significant failure (or total absence?) of quality control.
How difficult is it for someone with a bit of common sense to take some time to walk the length of each row and ensure each and every seat is fixed properly?
Furthermore, as we were not given much access to images of the work actually being done, I now wonder if the LT seat frames themselves have actually been replaced (with the obvious exception of a few rows right at the front, which were clearly rotten/broken?)
I also wonder whether (a) the seats fitted at the Railway end are of the same design (I don't think so) (b) were fitted by the same company (no idea) (c) have similar QC problems to those reported at the CE (again, no idea).
But I do recall at least a couple of comments from fans (after the Hartlepool game, I think) who stated that the "temporary" (Covid) seat allocation they had received was to a broken seat... this was in both the Pop side and in the Main stand.
All rather disappointing, if today's reports are true, and a real shame... which to me at least shows that despite all the good work which has been done, there may still be room for significant improvement.
But there isn't much time before the season kicks off in earnest!  |
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 14, 2021 20:09:40 GMT
Well... on 22 June 2021 the club posted pictures of the work starting, and said:
"...All 5180 seats in the Cheadle End are also set to be replaced (and recycled) with brand new seats...!"
Leaving aside the question of exactly how many seats there are in the CE (the anti-bird netting firm seemed to think it was about 5045, as I recall) the above statement by the club suggests to me that all the seats have been (or will be) replaced.
Not sure where " and recycled" comes into it, though, unless that means patching up broken upper tier seats with the best surviving ones from the lower tier? But if that is in fact the case, could the plan be to eventually put proper safe standing in the upper tier? Who knows? It could yet happen! 
The simplest thing, of course, would be for someone from the club to clear this up once and for all... or failing that for someone attending the Family Fun Day this Saturday to check out the situation on the upper tier and post their findings on here?
If the top tier haven't been replaced ( after investigation on Saturday) Maybe just maybe a solid campaign to get rail seats fitted could be started They could be managed easily because they would be separate to the rest of the stand....... the atmosphere would be brilliant and they would be safe I hope the club use the opportunity to at least explore the possibility Happy to put the club in touch with the right people to make that happen. |
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Aug 14, 2021 20:14:10 GMT
Just seen hedgies report and looks like some work has been done on that building tagged onto the main stand near the CE(above the food kiosk) sure there's more windows there than previously.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Aug 14, 2021 20:26:40 GMT
Yep, all of the ones near us were loose and some even had no nuts. Fnarr. My son leaned back slightly and the seat almost came away because it wasn't properly attached. They'll last five minutes unless someone takes responsibility for it and gets it fixed. Got to welcome them smartening things up but it's pointless if it's done in a half arsed way. I hope someone has raised this with the club because you’re right, they’ll barely last 5 minutes if they aren’t fitted properly. Even with hand tools only it takes barely any time to put a nut on a bolt. I know it's far from the most physical job in the world, but it'll involve bending over/kneeling down to fasten, say 4 nuts on 2000+ seats. If it takes a minute per seat to ensure all nuts are fully tightened, then there's a fair few hours work to be done this week... deffo a job for the apprentices, with promise of a bonus if they complete the job on time!!  |
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Post by advent on Aug 14, 2021 20:29:53 GMT
Just seen hedgies report and looks like some work has been done on that building tagged onto the main stand near the CE(above the food kiosk) sure there's more windows there than previously. Correct, looks like those doors open out onto the roof of the food kiosk too |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Aug 14, 2021 20:42:53 GMT
I hope someone has raised this with the club because you’re right, they’ll barely last 5 minutes if they aren’t fitted properly. Even with hand tools only it takes barely any time to put a nut on a bolt. I know it's far from the most physical job in the world, but it'll involve bending over/kneeling down to fasten, say 4 nuts on 2000+ seats. If it takes a minute per seat to ensure all nuts are fully tightened, then there's a fair few hours work to be done this week... deffo a job for the apprentices, with promise of a bonus if they complete the job on time!! Hopefully not yet panic stations, but...
No idea how many bolts there actually are per seat, but there are at least 2500 seats on the lower tier. On your estimate of 4 bolts and 1 minute per seat, that's around 42 hours' solid graft for 1 person, or about 3 full days' work if you use 2 people. Cutting it a bit fine, but if they start on Monday morning they'll have a pretty good idea by nightfall if it's doable. A bonus is a good idea, but even more so is adequate supervision and quality control!
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Post by desmond on Aug 14, 2021 20:46:27 GMT
Just seen hedgies report and looks like some work has been done on that building tagged onto the main stand near the CE(above the food kiosk) sure there's more windows there than previously. Correct, looks like those doors open out onto the roof of the food kiosk too In the sponsorship packages it was mentioned that there was going to be floor to ceiling windows in there, from today it looks like doors rather than windows but have no idea what benefit they bring as can’t see people sitting out on the top of the roof .... |
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Post by edinburghhatter on Aug 14, 2021 20:46:32 GMT
Just seen hedgies report and looks like some work has been done on that building tagged onto the main stand near the CE(above the food kiosk) sure there's more windows there than previously. Correct, looks like those doors open out onto the roof of the food kiosk too Wonder if we'll see railings and maybe even a few external seats appearing on the kiosk roof??? |
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 14, 2021 21:05:51 GMT
I hope someone has raised this with the club because you’re right, they’ll barely last 5 minutes if they aren’t fitted properly. Even with hand tools only it takes barely any time to put a nut on a bolt. I know it's far from the most physical job in the world, but it'll involve bending over/kneeling down to fasten, say 4 nuts on 2000+ seats. If it takes a minute per seat to ensure all nuts are fully tightened, then there's a fair few hours work to be done this week... deffo a job for the apprentices, with promise of a bonus if they complete the job on time!! I do a lot of work of this sort in fringe theatres, it’s surprisingly gruelling and time consuming but it’s basic stuff to get right. It shouldn’t be open to the public with nuts missing they should have gone straight on with the seats. It’s pretty poor to be honest and I hope the club gets whoever they contracted to do the seat installs back to finish the job properly - and do proper checks that the work is completed. |
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Aug 14, 2021 21:10:18 GMT
I know it's far from the most physical job in the world, but it'll involve bending over/kneeling down to fasten, say 4 nuts on 2000+ seats. If it takes a minute per seat to ensure all nuts are fully tightened, then there's a fair few hours work to be done this week... deffo a job for the apprentices, with promise of a bonus if they complete the job on time!! I do a lot of work of this sort in fringe theatres, it’s surprisingly gruelling and time consuming but it’s basic stuff to get right. It shouldn’t be open to the public with nuts missing they should have gone straight on with the seats. It’s pretty poor to be honest and I hope the club gets whoever they contracted to do the seat installs back to finish the job properly - and do proper checks that the work is completed. I agree 100% with you on that. I was simply highlighting that it does take a fair bit of manual hours to tighten up nuts on 2k+ seats.. let's hope it's all sorted for next week. |
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