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Post by bigmartin on Aug 29, 2024 18:51:59 GMT
In their manifesto I believe yes. I don't know if this departs from that or sits in alongside it. I haven't read the finer detail yet. But like I intimated I would not accept them saying "cigarettes are bad and the NHS is in dire straits" and then doing nowt about fags and not doing everything in their power to work towards sorting the NHS out. What am I trying to say? I guess...I'd rather they did MORE about stuff that directly impacts healthcare in an extremely negative way than less. And yes it will irritate some smokers. Frankly I don't give a f*ck, they've irritated me for my entire life. Imagine the state that whopper brinksway boy is in over all this? I had a weird moment where I considered that TVOR and BB are one and the same. They're very similar in style.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 29, 2024 18:58:22 GMT
In their manifesto I believe yes. I don't know if this departs from that or sits in alongside it. I haven't read the finer detail yet. But like I intimated I would not accept them saying "cigarettes are bad and the NHS is in dire straits" and then doing nowt about fags and not doing everything in their power to work towards sorting the NHS out. What am I trying to say? I guess...I'd rather they did MORE about stuff that directly impacts healthcare in an extremely negative way than less. And yes it will irritate some smokers. Frankly I don't give a f*ck, they've irritated me for my entire life. Imagine the state that whopper brinksway boy is in over all this? Brinksy, the rich man’s TLOBS
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Post by suedehead on Aug 29, 2024 19:08:22 GMT
Imagine the state that whopper brinksway boy is in over all this? Brinksy, the rich man’s TLOBS Imagine being a poor man’s Brinksway?
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Post by suedehead on Aug 29, 2024 19:08:50 GMT
Imagine the state that whopper brinksway boy is in over all this? I had a weird moment where I considered that TVOR and BB are one and the same. They're very similar in style. Ignorant as shit?
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Post by redhatter on Aug 29, 2024 19:51:25 GMT
The smoking ban just seems a total unnecessary waste of time and resource whilst also being a major PR own goal. There were commitments regards the general health of the public specifically pertaining to cigarettes in their manifesto (although I think this does go in a slightly different direction if I recall correctly from the manifesto broad details). Of course the NHS is in dire trouble. They have to do SOME stuff to try to help, holistically, address the issues with the NHS and I guess this is the start of that. They can't just cross their fingers and hope for a fair wind to sort things out for them. Course, I see the Tories have objected to it, a few weeks after their manifesto committed to making smoking completely illegal. I can't see how this is going to help Labour. They are just going to have people use this as a stick to beat them with for being nanny state. I hate cigarette smoke, but now it's been banned inside pubs, indoor public spaces and football grounds, I can't say it really bothers me at all. If someone wants to have a gasper outside a pub, restaurant, hospital, work, etc, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Just choose not to stand near them. The government should focus on education to drive smoking down further, IMHO, not bans. If they want to help the NHS, they should take on the food industry and make them reduce excessive fat and sugar, which is fuelling obesity and costing the NHS a fortune.
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Post by scfc29 on Aug 29, 2024 19:55:52 GMT
The smoking ban just seems a total unnecessary waste of time and resource whilst also being a major PR own goal. There were commitments regards the general health of the public specifically pertaining to cigarettes in their manifesto (although I think this does go in a slightly different direction if I recall correctly from the manifesto broad details). Of course the NHS is in dire trouble. They have to do SOME stuff to try to help, holistically, address the issues with the NHS and I guess this is the start of that. They can't just cross their fingers and hope for a fair wind to sort things out for them. Course, I see the Tories have objected to it, a few weeks after their manifesto committed to making smoking completely illegal. The general idea of slowly phasing out cigarettes I’m not totally against, there’s obviously no benefit to them and they cause a degree of stress on the NHS. This just feels like overly imposing nanny state stuff though and there are thousands of things more important that should be getting dealt with before this.
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Post by vicar on Aug 29, 2024 20:17:44 GMT
There were commitments regards the general health of the public specifically pertaining to cigarettes in their manifesto (although I think this does go in a slightly different direction if I recall correctly from the manifesto broad details). Of course the NHS is in dire trouble. They have to do SOME stuff to try to help, holistically, address the issues with the NHS and I guess this is the start of that. They can't just cross their fingers and hope for a fair wind to sort things out for them. Course, I see the Tories have objected to it, a few weeks after their manifesto committed to making smoking completely illegal. The general idea of slowly phasing out cigarettes I’m not totally against, there’s obviously no benefit to them and they cause a degree of stress on the NHS. This just feels like overly imposing nanny state stuff though and there are thousands of things more important that should be getting dealt with before this. Yes but it's easy and doesn't stop them or even slow them down on the bigger stuff.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 29, 2024 20:49:55 GMT
If they can sell all the tickets then the price is either right or too low, that’s capitalism.
No wonder a wise man thinks this place is full of commies
ETA, wrong thread? Or maybe the right one?
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 29, 2024 20:55:18 GMT
I see the LNER strikes have been called off because management were forced to negotiate and between the union and management they've managed to agree a way forward.
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Post by David Schofield on Aug 29, 2024 21:23:29 GMT
If they can sell all the tickets then the price is either right or too low, that’s capitalism. No wonder a wise man thinks this place is full of commies ETA, wrong thread? Or maybe the right one? You must think the people smugglers are doing a stand up job
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 29, 2024 22:39:14 GMT
He’s already starting seizing private businesses in the name of the State. IF ONLY Though given Ryanair is an Irish airline that could cause a diplomatic incident 🤔
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 29, 2024 22:42:21 GMT
Imagine the state that whopper brinksway boy is in over all this? I had a weird moment where I considered that TVOR and BB are one and the same. They're very similar in style. They’re definitely not the same person. BRINKSWAY BOY (show some respect to the all caps 😁) is far too busy whinging on Facebook about a town he hasn’t lived in for decades, has no intention of returning to, and I’m not entirely sure has even visited for years.
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Post by tvor on Aug 30, 2024 7:17:06 GMT
Now now ladies................. it looks like the resident left wing clique were out in force last night and threw their collective toys out. No need for personal abuse. You know who you are Just because I'm not a lover of Starmer shouldn't get under your skin. I don't like him or his vision for the future. I don't like what he has done in the past either. Remember, it was a minority of people who voted for him. Of the 60% of people in the UK who got up off their backsides to go and vote, only a third of them voted in favour of Starmer. Those are not my figures they are from Google. Oh and martin, I will probably not be able to respond to direct questions today as I have a few jobs to do (away from my pc), I also want to go for a decent walk to take in some fresh air and end up for a few pints in the pub. I hope that's OK with you.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 30, 2024 7:34:01 GMT
I see the LNER strikes have been called off because management were forced to negotiate and between the union and management they've managed to agree a way forward. Well at least we might see the end of these strikes that affect many. Common sense or labour falling over to their union paymasters. Possibly it depends on which side of politics you are on. For me quicker strikes are over the better it is for all concerned even if i think the pay rises are excessive.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 30, 2024 7:49:58 GMT
Now now ladies................. it looks like the resident left wing clique were out in force last night and threw their collective toys out. No need for personal abuse. You know who you are Just because I'm not a lover of Starmer shouldn't get under your skin. I don't like him or his vision for the future. I don't like what he has done in the past either. Remember, it was a minority of people who voted for him. Of the 60% of people in the UK who got up off their backsides to go and vote, only a third of them voted in favour of Starmer. Those are not my figures they are from Google. Oh and martin, I will probably not be able to respond to direct questions today as I have a few jobs to do (away from my pc), I also want to go for a decent walk to take in some fresh air and end up for a few pints in the pub. I hope that's OK with you. Ah, the resident message board sino-phobic racist back in the room, to bring a bit of balance to this communist domain. It's the UK political system. If you can think of a way of changing it then you've got my vote. However, you don't want to change it really, you just want "your guy" to get better results from it. But, how about you cry some more? Gutted you're not going to be around. It's like losing a limb when you're away.
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