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Post by David Schofield on Mar 31, 2023 0:04:51 GMT
Now we're joining a trade block on the other side of the world without a referendum, I'm also not sure that shipping goods that distance fits with our green agenda, on the plus side it is expected to boost our economy by 0.08%. We have a choice: we can make things here and cause pollution that must be dealt with Or we can make things in China and India and cause pollution that must be dealt with over there Same. Same. Except If we make it there we unnecessarily add the pollution of transporting it half way around the world It’s bonkers
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Post by Durango95 on Mar 31, 2023 1:07:50 GMT
Keir Starmer is a Tory c word. I can’t vote Labour under that tw*t. Dilemmas… I supported Corbyn and believe he could have been a brilliantly destabilising Prime Minister, a genuine disrupter of the status quo and a leader with the improved lot of the people at the forefront of his policies Unfortunately political reality is getting more of what you want and less of what you don’t Keir Starmer is the best hope right now, and with the only alternative being another Tory Government, I’m embracing hope, I wholly recommend you do too. But he’s a lying bent c*nt and in the Murdoch pocket. Can’t stand him. But can’t the Tories. Feel politically homeless. JC was a good man, but they’d never allow it here. It’s a case of who’s better than the Tories, but he’s made Labour Tory lite.
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Post by David Schofield on Mar 31, 2023 1:11:07 GMT
I supported Corbyn and believe he could have been a brilliantly destabilising Prime Minister, a genuine disrupter of the status quo and a leader with the improved lot of the people at the forefront of his policies Unfortunately political reality is getting more of what you want and less of what you don’t Keir Starmer is the best hope right now, and with the only alternative being another Tory Government, I’m embracing hope, I wholly recommend you do too. But he’s a lying bent c*nt and in the Murdoch pocket. Can’t stand him. But can’t the Tories. Feel politically homeless. JC was a good man, but they’d never allow it here. It’s a case of who’s better than the Tories, but he’s made Labour Tory lite. Yep. It’s just better than Tory shite
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Post by herbiedumplings on Mar 31, 2023 6:25:46 GMT
Now we're joining a trade block on the other side of the world without a referendum, I'm also not sure that shipping goods that distance fits with our green agenda, on the plus side it is expected to boost our economy by 0.08%. We have a choice: we can make things here and cause pollution that must be dealt with Or we can make things in China and India and cause pollution that must be dealt with over there Same. Same. Except If we make it there we unnecessarily add the pollution of transporting it half way around the world It’s bonkers Looks like we’ll be relying on other countries to launch our space stuff, for starters: Virgin Orbit: Sir Richard Branson's rocket company lays off 85% of staff www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65133099
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Post by captainclutch on Mar 31, 2023 7:37:05 GMT
Now we're joining a trade block on the other side of the world without a referendum, I'm also not sure that shipping goods that distance fits with our green agenda, on the plus side it is expected to boost our economy by 0.08%. We have a choice: we can make things here and cause pollution that must be dealt with Or we can make things in China and India and cause pollution that must be dealt with over there Same. Same. Except If we make it there we unnecessarily add the pollution of transporting it half way around the world It’s bonkers It is bonkers but it's even more bonkers than just a case of a product being manufactured in one place and then sent somewhere else. In their desperation for endless growth and profit they've made the global supply chain so complex (component X from here, component y from there) that according to Prof Nate Hagens, the energy equivalence is incandescent 170 billion light bulbs switched on constantly. To put that into perspective it's estimated to be around 50-60% of total emissions. Our economic system is completely separated from scientific reality, the bubble has already burst, it's just a question of how long it will take us to figure out that we need a new and very different bubble.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2023 8:03:31 GMT
I supported Corbyn and believe he could have been a brilliantly destabilising Prime Minister, a genuine disrupter of the status quo and a leader with the improved lot of the people at the forefront of his policies Unfortunately political reality is getting more of what you want and less of what you don’t Keir Starmer is the best hope right now, and with the only alternative being another Tory Government, I’m embracing hope, I wholly recommend you do too. But he’s a lying bent c*nt and in the Murdoch pocket. Can’t stand him. But can’t the Tories. Feel politically homeless. JC was a good man, but they’d never allow it here. It’s a case of who’s better than the Tories, but he’s made Labour Tory lite. People should forget the name of Corbyn but read his policies from the last election. He was too easy for the media to have a go at by his support of palestine and would love labour to unearth someone younger without much baggage to carry on from him. Really could anyone imagine starmer and most of his cabinet bringing out reforms like previous labour leaders are well known for that still affect our lives for the better. Thing is you have to get the history books out for these.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Mar 31, 2023 8:49:59 GMT
Keir Starmer is a Tory c word. I can’t vote Labour under that tw*t. Dilemmas… He's absolutely horrendous. Personification of the Labour right, who want to flush away all the good of the previous regime. And a massive liar to boot. I mean, he's going to win the next election. It's nailed on. And there will be some pleasure in watching Tories get annihilated. But when you think the government is being replaced by one of Starmer, Reeves and Streeting, you despair, given what we could have had.Bit of extra fun watching Corbyn win as an independent too. Saw the other day someone said he should stand against Starmer. Now that would be fun to watch. I could stomach it better if they weren't so insufferably smug about it
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2023 9:01:04 GMT
He's absolutely horrendous. Personification of the Labour right, who want to flush away all the good of the previous regime. And a massive liar to boot. I mean, he's going to win the next election. It's nailed on. And there will be some pleasure in watching Tories get annihilated. But when you think the government is being replaced by one of Starmer, Reeves and Streeting, you despair, given what we could have had.Bit of extra fun watching Corbyn win as an independent too. Saw the other day someone said he should stand against Starmer. Now that would be fun to watch. I could stomach it better if they weren't so insufferably smug about it Trying to be all things to all voters may actually be a problem like being totally in the middle of the road. Some of the tories that get a mention on here may be disliked but have a policy and a view to be disliked for and can respect this even if you totally disagree 100 per cent with them.
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Post by vicar on Mar 31, 2023 9:01:19 GMT
He's absolutely horrendous. Personification of the Labour right, who want to flush away all the good of the previous regime. And a massive liar to boot. I mean, he's going to win the next election. It's nailed on. And there will be some pleasure in watching Tories get annihilated. But when you think the government is being replaced by one of Starmer, Reeves and Streeting, you despair, given what we could have had.Bit of extra fun watching Corbyn win as an independent too. Saw the other day someone said he should stand against Starmer. Now that would be fun to watch. I could stomach it better if they weren't so insufferably smug about it Corbyn's Labour was closer to me but I'm old enough to know that Murdoch calls the shots and we won't ever have a left wing govt while that's the case, I just hope that Starmer takes us more towards the centre.
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Post by HTC on Mar 31, 2023 9:42:02 GMT
The Starmer combination of centrist economics and authoritarian identity politics just has absolutely no appeal to me whatsoever.
With Corbyn, you knew what he stood for, even if I didn't like much of it. With Starmer, I've still absolutely no idea what he represents beyond 'we're better than the Tories' with a side order of 'and we're also morally superior than you'
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Post by herbiedumplings on Mar 31, 2023 9:45:49 GMT
The Starmer combination of centrist economics and authoritarian identity politics just has absolutely no appeal to me whatsoever. With Corbyn, you knew what he stood for, even if I didn't like much of it. With Starmer, I've still absolutely no idea what he represents beyond 'we're better than the Tories' with a side order of 'and we're also morally superior than you' Precisely why I voted for a candidate from Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party at the tail end of the Gordon Brown era…
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2023 10:01:10 GMT
The Starmer combination of centrist economics and authoritarian identity politics just has absolutely no appeal to me whatsoever. With Corbyn, you knew what he stood for, even if I didn't like much of it. With Starmer, I've still absolutely no idea what he represents beyond 'we're better than the Tories' with a side order of 'and we're also morally superior than you' Precisely why I voted for a candidate from Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party at the tail end of the Gordon Brown era… See where you are coming from and those who will vote for reform at the next election. You actually know or have more idea what they stand for and if it doesn,t suit you than just move on to another. Sick of this middle of the road a penny one way and a penny the other politics. Can see many who do vote just voting one way to get rid or keep a party out rather than the love they have for it.
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 31, 2023 10:10:08 GMT
But we do have to get the Tories out...
We need an adult in charge. Like, congratulations to anyone who can't stomach voting for Starmer and puts the Tories back in at the next GE, but please don't then whinge about how bad things are.
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Post by HTC on Mar 31, 2023 10:23:37 GMT
I'm just not convinced we'll get an adult in charge.
Things like Thornberry's 'let all laugh at the povvos' tweet of a house covered in England flags during the Euros, Nandy's determination that male rapists should be in female prisons and whoever that nobody was who said 'Kwarteng isn't really black' just suggest we'd be led by the worst kind of twitter w*nker.
(and living in Denton & Reddish constituency, my personal vote / letting the Tories back in doesn't matter anyway as it's beyond 'safe seat' territory)
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 31, 2023 10:25:01 GMT
But we do have to get the Tories out... We need an adult in charge. Like, congratulations to anyone who can't stomach voting for Starmer and puts the Tories back in at the next GE, but please don't then whinge about how bad things are. Its a pity that labour has to rely on just getting rid of the tories as their only reason to vote for them instead of people wanting to vote for them as a party itself. One thing is you are far from the only one thinking that way with millions thinking the same.
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