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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 23, 2024 21:31:51 GMT
It’s the reason I am against us joining the Euro, and by extension rejoining the EU. Why can we not go bankrupt, personally I'd be in favour of joining the euro but you suggest that would leave us in a more vulnerable position. Because we control our own currency supply, and our debt is in our currency.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 23, 2024 21:32:53 GMT
Why can we not go bankrupt, personally I'd be in favour of joining the euro but you suggest that would leave us in a more vulnerable position. If you print your own money you can never go bankrupt except by choice. Inflation is what happens. The Weimar Republic for example didn't go de-facto bankrupt. Wheelbarrows of money, where the barrow's worth more than the money in it and all that. A country, unlike a business, doesn't necessarily lose its land, it's people, it's assets and so forth even if it defaults on its sovereign debt. So even if it does go into sovereign debt bankruptcy the country will still survive (eg. Iceland). If we joined the Euro, we COULD go bankrupt. Because the EU control the currency we use. It's what happened with Greece. Even inflation isn’t guaranteed. Japan was suffering deflation decades ago and try printing money to counter it and it did nothing. It’s more complex than that but the Weimar example is the one that is most well known as an extreme.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 21:47:56 GMT
Can’t say I disagree with their decision, but I understand it’s a matter of party discipline too.
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Post by vicar on Jul 24, 2024 7:01:26 GMT
Why can we not go bankrupt, personally I'd be in favour of joining the euro but you suggest that would leave us in a more vulnerable position. Because we control our own currency supply, and our debt is in our currency. Our currency can become worthless though and our debts could become unmanageable.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 24, 2024 7:35:10 GMT
The thread could definitely benefit from right wing posters capable of factual, rational argument, so could Parliament, there don’t seem to many in the country, never mind on here. Easier said than done especially regarding facts these days. Think of a subject to discuss, find the facts from your angle and someone will pop up legitematly with their facts to challenge yours. Which set of facts are correct. As for rational arguments i feel its harder to have one on here than the old argy bargy in a pub with insults flying about between posters.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 24, 2024 7:42:28 GMT
Can’t say I disagree with their decision, but I understand it’s a matter of party discipline too. Fair play to any MP on either side of the house who goes against the party line. Every single MP should have a mind of their own and not just seen as a vote for a party. I,d have a bigger issue with any who voted for something they did not agree with just to avoid rocking the boat.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 24, 2024 7:51:48 GMT
We need to process asylum claims quickly. Allow genuine asylum seekers to stay and allow them to work. Deport economic migrants. It's a simple as that. The failure to act (as the Tories have done), leaving people in hotels for years is absolutely astronomical. That is totally true but its harder than some think in sorting which are which. Something you can blame the tories big time for by not doing this when the first boat arrived and not get into a situation thats getting harder to resolve by the day. the immigration haters keep telling us there is no war in a certain country but cannot understand there is more than war torn countries people want to escape from for what they feel is a better and safer life. Certainly would not like our PM job solving this problem or even getting a big grip on processing the thousands of these people and possible dependants coming in the future. Labour will be tagged about getting soft on immigration again but are only picking up the piece someone else caused.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 24, 2024 7:53:41 GMT
Can’t say I disagree with their decision, but I understand it’s a matter of party discipline too. Fair play to any MP on either side of the house who goes against the party line. Every single MP should have a mind of their own and not just seen as a vote for a party. I,d have a bigger issue with any who voted for something they did not agree with just to avoid rocking the boat. It should be embarrassing enough for Labour to have voted against lifting children out of poverty - and to have whipped the likes of Kim Johnson to vote against it, considering that her constituency's child poverty rate is 47% - without then punishing its MPs for voting for it. And I can understand if the idea was to introduce a similar amendment, but according to that Guardian article, that's exactly what Kim Johnson did, and it got rejected. Seems like this hasn't been handled very well
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 24, 2024 7:57:08 GMT
Can’t say I disagree with their decision, but I understand it’s a matter of party discipline too. Fair play to any MP on either side of the house who goes against the party line. Every single MP should have a mind of their own and not just seen as a vote for a party. I,d have a bigger issue with any who voted for something they did not agree with just to avoid rocking the boat. I gather from the news last night that they were suspended for voting for an amendment put forward by another party. AIUI, protocol would have permitted them to abstain, but not actively go against Cabinet’s wishes. This article talks about ministers (as opposed to backbenchers) being sacked from the Cabinet role rather than booted out of the party, which suggests yesterday’s suspensions were pretty extreme considering the intent of the amendment in question: www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/collective-responsibility(I also note that the article cites Boris doing whatever the fk he wanted as one of the examples of where the prime minister at the time didn’t enforce the rules. Quelle surprise…)
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Post by tvor on Jul 24, 2024 8:02:44 GMT
I was sent this link by another Yellowboard member last night. I think it’s well worth sharing. It’s quite an interesting short video with Steven Barrett speaking particularly well. Not sure where they found the other clown. And for me it’s a pleasant walk out in the sun to Poynton so if you have any questions or polite comments please feel free to reply but don’t expect an immediate Nik type response [ i.e within 60 seconds ]. Hopefully news of the Touray replacement signing, and a taxi being ordered for sicknote whilst I’m out. Enjoy
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 24, 2024 8:13:26 GMT
View AttachmentI was sent this link by another Yellowboard member last night. I think it’s well worth sharing. It’s quite an interesting short video with Steven Barrett speaking particularly well. Not sure where they found the other clown. And for me it’s a pleasant walk out in the sun to Poynton so if you have any questions or polite comments please feel free to reply but don’t expect an immediate Nik type response [ i.e within 60 seconds ]. Hopefully news of the Touray replacement signing, and a taxi being ordered for sicknote whilst I’m out. Enjoy It’s a fair point. It’s three out of several hundred prosecutions, but nonetheless he was head of the organisation for those three. On the same basis though, surely all MPs who campaigned to leave the EU (and we can include Farage in that group now) should answer questions in Parliament as to why we don’t have the Norway+ deal they promised us at the time? Especially as it would have put us in a stronger position with regard to illegal immigration than we’re in now.
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Post by Nik on Jul 24, 2024 8:31:16 GMT
View AttachmentI was sent this link by another Yellowboard member last night. I think it’s well worth sharing. It’s quite an interesting short video with Steven Barrett speaking particularly well. Not sure where they found the other clown. And for me it’s a pleasant walk out in the sun to Poynton so if you have any questions or polite comments please feel free to reply but don’t expect an immediate Nik type response [ i.e within 60 seconds ]. Hopefully news of the Touray replacement signing, and a taxi being ordered for sicknote whilst I’m out. Enjoy I see you've taken suedehead's post on board.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 24, 2024 8:31:18 GMT
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Post by suedehead on Jul 24, 2024 8:34:48 GMT
View AttachmentI was sent this link by another Yellowboard member last night. I think it’s well worth sharing. Surely not on a secret WhatsApp group?
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 24, 2024 8:37:18 GMT
The thread could definitely benefit from right wing posters capable of factual, rational argument, so could Parliament, there don’t seem to many in the country, never mind on here. Easier said than done especially regarding facts these days. Think of a subject to discuss, find the facts from your angle and someone will pop up legitematly with their facts to challenge yours. Which set of facts are correct. As for rational arguments i feel its harder to have one on here than the old argy bargy in a pub with insults flying about between posters. I think it's often a failure to differentiate between fact and opinion that is relevant. Both are valid and the same fact can lead to different opinions, based on your view the world, which is fine and normal and sensible adults can do this and agree to disagree. However, if the opinion is based on things which aren't even facts (relying on the Daily Mail for your information is a red flag, for example) then the opinion becomes less robust. Because of reasons, at the moment quite often on here you're not seeing people trading facts in support of differing opinions, you're seeing something else that is largely out of keeping with the usual tone of this thread, which is generally respectful, if sometimes robust and sometimes irreverent.
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