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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:14:58 GMT
problem at the moment with the CE is that it makes the ground look somewhat lop sided. one big stand and the other parts of the ground more or less the same size. the present EP looks far better from the outside than it does inside for me. those gaps at the side of the main also do not help, but without them how can we gain access to other parts of the ground. do think that making EP a lot larger will be a bigger task than some think. Presumably, if we fill the gaps in, someone will come up with the idea of a door or a gate?
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Post by 3330 on Jul 23, 2020 9:27:16 GMT
EITHER: (1) Find a suitably-sized piece of land that's sitting there empty, just begging to have a football ground built on it, and which has the all location advantages EP has. (2) Overcome the objections of anyone living within at least half a mile of said site. (3) Offer the club/Council at least £25 million to cover the costs of construction of a basic stadium of at least the same capacity as EP. (4) Sell EP for development to fund all this, even though County don't actually own it.... OR: Redevelop EP stand by stand, on a piecemeal basis, including modest expansion where possible. I know which I'd take! I think the above is spot on We all have great ideas on how we would like EP to look after development The problem is no one knows what the new owners of Stockport county want to do I would for one love to see the plans for EP But i am a humble supporter not an owner
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:42:06 GMT
Got to be EP redevelopment, apart from anything else a traditional ground embedded in the community, surrounded by red brick etc. is fast becoming a Unique selling Point, even more so should we make it back to league football. Legacy and tradition are all important in football and we've seen how much is lost when clubs opt for functionality rather than passion and sentiment.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Jul 25, 2020 8:59:22 GMT
Plenty of talk over the years about putting a roof on the RE, and I've just seen this from Barrows Twitter account...
Any construction experts on here know why there are so many pillars to hold up the roof? Pretty sure there are only a handful for the full length of the pop side, and many stands elsewhere dont have any. Not sure I'd like this sort of roof for the RE.
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Post by kennypowers on Jul 25, 2020 9:04:19 GMT
That looks awful! Surely the architects could have come up with a column less design so fans have a decent view of the game. With all those instructions, I’m not sure that stand is fit for purpose
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Post by Imposter on Jul 25, 2020 9:06:53 GMT
Plenty of talk over the years about putting a roof on the RE, and I've just seen this from Barrows Twitter account... Any construction experts on here know why there are so many pillars to hold up the roof? Pretty sure there are only a handful for the full length of the pop side, and many stands elsewhere dont have any. Not sure I'd like this sort of roof for the RE. Looks dreadful. Better than open air I guess but not much. I hope if, and when our stands are done up every seat/standing/viewing position has perfect sightlines of the pitch. Certainly don't see a need for tons of view-obscuring pillars in the way. Looks like they've gone for the cheapest option to bung a roof on that.
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Post by HTC on Jul 25, 2020 9:11:20 GMT
Would think it’s probably a combination of being able to do it cheaply, and being able to get it in place in time for the new season.
The old ‘good, cheap, or quick - pick 2’ adage in action.
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Post by PSP on Jul 25, 2020 9:33:05 GMT
Agreed looks shite. Probably bought it from Argos.
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Post by countyblueforever on Jul 25, 2020 9:43:19 GMT
A style of stand in common with the one at Wycombe and Peterborough would do on the pop side and a similar CE stand at the railway end.
Or build stands that link up to each other of similar style on the popside, railway end and Hardcastle Road. Forming a U effect towards the Cheadle End.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 25, 2020 9:50:39 GMT
A style of stand in common with the one at Wycombe and Peterborough would do on the pop side and a similar CE stand at the railway end. Or build stands that link up to each other of similar style on the popside, railway end and Hardcastle Road. Forming a U effect towards the Cheadle End. Sounds like what Bury did at Gigg Lane.
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Post by TC on Jul 25, 2020 9:54:54 GMT
All this talk about redeveloping EP is interesting but seems a bit premature whilst the club are still tenants. I've not heard anything about a sale from the council to the club so can only assume negotiating are taking place.
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Jul 25, 2020 9:56:58 GMT
All this talk about redeveloping EP is interesting but seems a bit premature whilst the club are still tenants. I've not heard anything about a sale from the council to the club so can only assume negotiating are taking place. I could be wrong but I think Stott has been negotiating with the council for some time. He was talking with them whilst takeover talks were being carried out.
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Post by edinburghhatter on Jul 25, 2020 10:44:05 GMT
All this talk about redeveloping EP is interesting but seems a bit premature whilst the club are still tenants. I've not heard anything about a sale from the council to the club so can only assume negotiating are taking place. Yes! Ownership of EP and (crucially) the land behind the Railway end is key to any redevelopment.
It doesn't actually have to be sole ownership by one party... it could be a partnership development, a prestigious win-win for both the club and the Council. Maybe depends how desperate the Council are to get their money back: although the £2 million they are alleged to have paid for EP is of course not to be sniffed at, in today's financial climate it's relative chicken feed. Can't help feeling Mr Covid may also have played a role in this saga, one way or another.
But until the ownership question is sorted, everything else (on here at least!) is necessarily just speculation. I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that the club will tell us when they have something concrete to say, and not before.
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Post by edinburghhatter on Jul 25, 2020 11:18:11 GMT
Plenty of talk over the years about putting a roof on the RE, and I've just seen this from Barrows Twitter account... Any construction experts on here know why there are so many pillars to hold up the roof? Pretty sure there are only a handful for the full length of the pop side, and many stands elsewhere don't have any. Not sure I'd like this sort of roof for the RE.The Barrow roof, I think, is designed this way because of the nature of the terrace beneath: an earth bank which (unlike the railway end at EP) has an original concrete retaining wall behind it, which gives straight onto the street. I'm guessing the architects didn't want to get too close to the back wall, for structural reasons. If you look closely, you'll see that it's only the front 2 rows of columns that actually hold the roof up: what looks like a third row is actually suspended and braced from the roof beams, just above the old concrete wall, to form the rear wall of the stand. Cost obviously was a major factor here, and I guess having fewer columns, while possible, would have involved much more complicated engineering, and thus considerably higher cost. The steelwork is being erected by Stadium Solutions, by the way, who are responsible for Salford's new ground and the new stand at Accrington Stanley. I don't think they had anything to do with the actual design, though: their stands elsewhere look very different! The actual view (from the rear row of supporting columns) in the new stand stand is below; about 8 or 9 completely unobstructed rows at the front, then 5 or 6 with this view. I've seen worse, and it's a lot better than the bleak open terrace that was there before!
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Post by tgttiw on Jul 25, 2020 11:28:32 GMT
All this talk about redeveloping EP is interesting but seems a bit premature whilst the club are still tenants. I've not heard anything about a sale from the council to the club so can only assume negotiating are taking place. Yes! Ownership of EP and (crucially) the land behind the Railway end is key to any redevelopment.
It doesn't actually have to be sole ownership by one party... it could be a partnership development, a prestigious win-win for both the club and the Council. Maybe depends how desperate the Council are to get their money back: although the £2 million they are alleged to have paid for EP is of course not to be sniffed at, in today's financial climate it's relative chicken feed. Can't help feeling Mr Covid may also have played a role in this saga, one way or another.
But until the ownership question is sorted, everything else (on here at least!) is necessarily just speculation. I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that the club will tell us when they have something concrete to say, and not before. The land behind the railway end was earmarked for housing. Go on to greater Manchester spatial framework and you'll see how many housing units are assigned to the land. Link below mappinggm.org.uk/gmsf-consultation-2019/?lyrs=baseline_housing_land_supply,baseline_industry_land_supply,baseline_office_land_supply#os_maps_light/10/53.5072/-2.3215
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