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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Aug 20, 2020 15:08:47 GMT
They have been playing the "it's not our fault we've got no money" card for a while (a few years) now. They used the training facilities at our local Club (Sandbach) without paying the agreed rent. A local Milkie reckons it was the fault of Sandbach because they knew that Macc were skint!
They and Southend are permanent botherers of the High Court. Macclesfield have had their latest winding up order adjourned for an 11th time so at what point does it bring the league and the game into disrepute?
Since the Bury debacle much has been promised on the regulations needed to protect the clubs from overspending and owners who are litte more than asset stripping charlatans. All I've seen are proposals from individual clubs that reek of self interest - Notts County average attendance 5210 Boreham Wood 724 Same financial limitations? No rules and regulations only guidelines that will see more of the same.
The EFL and NL could start by doing Due Dilligence on each Club. A cinic might suggest that they already know what's there hence the reluctance to do anything.
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Post by CB1883 on Aug 20, 2020 18:36:24 GMT
There’s a lot of their fans feeling hard done by and think the decision is unjustified. Apparently Stevenage staying up with 3 wins to their name is a joke.
Wonder how many games Macc would have won had they assembled a team they could afford to pay.
Bury were the same. Denied that they overspent before Steve Dale but weren’t they paying James Vaughan £4000 a week? They also signed Tom Pope when he was wanted by clubs with a much bigger fan base and set up than Bury had.
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Post by vicar on Aug 20, 2020 19:12:21 GMT
There’s a lot of their fans feeling hard done by and think the decision is unjustified. Apparently Stevenage staying up with 3 wins to their name is a joke. Wonder how many games Macc would have won had they assembled a team they could afford to pay. Bury were the same. Denied that they overspent before Steve Dale but weren’t they paying James Vaughan £4000 a week? They also signed Tom Pope when he was wanted by clubs with a much bigger fan base and set up than Bury had. Stewart Day and Steve Dale have gone leaving Bury fans without a club, they had no oversight of what their owners were up to, yes they celebrated the good times as we all would but it could happen to anyone. Macc on the other hand are a non league club and are now basically where they should be but they'll probably offer contracts they can't afford again next year.
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Post by Philcounty on Aug 20, 2020 20:18:29 GMT
Having just listened to Chris Ridgway's Dicko interview, it sounds like we had form in not paying players during that promotion season.
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Post by vicar on Aug 20, 2020 20:28:40 GMT
Having just listened to Chris Ridgway's Dicko interview, it sounds like we had form in not paying players during that promotion season. We were run by the trust and using Sale's ticketing system, as I recall we often had to wait for our own money.
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Post by Philcounty on Aug 20, 2020 20:34:45 GMT
Having just listened to Chris Ridgway's Dicko interview, it sounds like we had form in not paying players during that promotion season. We were run by the trust and using Sale's ticketing system, as I recall we often had to wait for our own money. Also interesting to hear that we turned down a bid for Ashley Williams from Cardiff and then accepted a lesser offer from Swansea later in the season because we were desperate for money. I just find it odd that people have a screw them attitude, but take offence that people showed that attitude towards us.
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Post by CB1883 on Aug 20, 2020 20:49:18 GMT
We were run by the trust and using Sale's ticketing system, as I recall we often had to wait for our own money. Also interesting to hear that we turned down a bid for Ashley Williams from Cardiff and then accepted a lesser offer from Swansea later in the season because we were desperate for money. I just find it odd that people have a screw them attitude, but take offence that people showed that attitude towards us. I think that’s where my view on it comes from. These same clubs took pleasure in our demise. It can’t be compared to the situation with us beating City either as they were never financially threatened the way we were. We didn’t overspend ridiculously. Had we won the Gillingham replay I’m convinced we’d have beaten Aston Villa in the third round in front of a packed EP live on the tele. That money would have seen us through until at least the end of the season. Might just have kicked the can down the road but the margin between success and what happened were minimal. Unfortunately we went the way none of us wanted us to.
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Post by Philcounty on Aug 20, 2020 21:12:12 GMT
Also interesting to hear that we turned down a bid for Ashley Williams from Cardiff and then accepted a lesser offer from Swansea later in the season because we were desperate for money. I just find it odd that people have a screw them attitude, but take offence that people showed that attitude towards us. I think that’s where my view on it comes from. These same clubs took pleasure in our demise. It can’t be compared to the situation with us beating City either as they were never financially threatened the way we were. We didn’t overspend ridiculously. Had we won the Gillingham replay I’m convinced we’d have beaten Aston Villa in the third round in front of a packed EP live on the tele. That money would have seen us through until at least the end of the season. Might just have kicked the can down the road but the margin between success and what happened were minimal. Unfortunately we went the way none of us wanted us to. I disagree. It is entirely comparable to the City situation. In both cases it was a traditionally smaller club revelling in the fact that they were out performing the bigger team from down the road. The financial situation gave reason for them outperforming us, but that wasn't really why they were enjoying it. Are you telling me that if City were in financial difficulties we would have been sympathetic, had a whip around for them and never celebrated our successes over them?
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Post by Imposter on Aug 21, 2020 0:18:34 GMT
We were run by the trust and using Sale's ticketing system, as I recall we often had to wait for our own money. Also interesting to hear that we turned down a bid for Ashley Williams from Cardiff and then accepted a lesser offer from Swansea later in the season because we were desperate for money. I just find it odd that people have a screw them attitude, but take offence that people showed that attitude towards us. There's a massive difference between a "meh..what happens, happens" attitude and a "f**k them, hope they fail" actively taking delight in their demise attitude. For me most County fans fall into the former "meh" group when it comes to Macc and Bury. But far too many City, Rochdale, Crewe fans fell into the latter, actively wanting us to fail category, from what I saw and heard as we fell.
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Post by philtheglass on Aug 21, 2020 5:58:21 GMT
You only have to go on City's Bluemoon messageboard to see how little sympathy they had for our situation. Basically saying that we'd bitten the hand that had fed us, with reference to them bailing us out by playing friendlies against us, & then us laughing at their demise
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Post by Dids on Aug 21, 2020 8:24:19 GMT
The EFL clearly wanted Macc gone I think they were actually treated a bit unfairly on the ppg They calculated the ppg with their deduction, when really it would have been fairer to calculate their actual ppg then deduct the 17 points That would have kept them up comfortably with 28 points It's harsh but they clearly couldn't afford the contracts they gave out, even if they paid the least in league 2, if they paid what they could actually afford they'd probably be part time and amassed fewer points than Stevenage. Not entirely true. They probably had a sensible budget. The issue is that Alkadhi, swept money from the club account to himself as repayment of club loans to him, which caused cash flow issues for Macc, hence they couldn’t pay the staff.
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Post by vicar on Aug 21, 2020 8:28:34 GMT
It's harsh but they clearly couldn't afford the contracts they gave out, even if they paid the least in league 2, if they paid what they could actually afford they'd probably be part time and amassed fewer points than Stevenage. Not entirely true. They probably had a sensible budget. The issue is that Alkadhi, swept money from the club account to himself as repayment of club loans to him, which caused cash flow issues for Macc, hence they couldn’t pay the staff. Fair point but at one time or another they spent more than they should or they wouldn't have owed him, I fear the same could happen to us when we're in the Championship and a relegation or two could be the outcome.
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Post by ancienthatter on Aug 21, 2020 8:46:14 GMT
Not entirely true. They probably had a sensible budget. The issue is that Alkadhi, swept money from the club account to himself as repayment of club loans to him, which caused cash flow issues for Macc, hence they couldn’t pay the staff. Fair point but at one time or another they spent more than they should or they wouldn't have owed him, I fear the same could happen to us when we're in the Championship and a relegation or two could be the outcome. It takes a County fan to worry about promotion in case we get relegated later 😉
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 21, 2020 8:49:01 GMT
You only have to go on City's Bluemoon messageboard to see how little sympathy they had for our situation. Basically saying that we'd bitten the hand that had fed us, with reference to them bailing us out by playing friendlies against us, & then us laughing at their demise on one hand you read stuff like that whilst on the other hand they say we are not really worth bothering about. wish they,d make their minds up. at one time it used to bother me if teams had problems but not anymore. we have had too much hurt at County over the years to bother about others and i only concentrate on our problems and let fans of other clubs bother about themselves. if County had gone out of existance it really would after a few days only bother fans and others with any real interest in County.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 21, 2020 8:51:53 GMT
There's a massive difference between a "meh..what happens, happens" attitude and a "f**k them, hope they fail" actively taking delight in their demise attitude. For me most County fans fall into the former "meh" group when it comes to Macc and Bury. But far too many City, Rochdale, Crewe fans fell into the latter, actively wanting us to fail category, from what I saw and heard as we fell. think a great many of us including me would be delighted to see the end of crewe and houses being built on gresty road.
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