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Post by timberwolf on Apr 24, 2024 10:58:53 GMT
Always wondered if all those mentioned are not private businesses but part of larger chains not totally running legally. Round my way you get takeaway menu,s that do the same thing at the same price but give the impression of being independent. Our nail bars all look to be run by people from the far east and the barbers all seem to have lads from the middle east working in them all roughly the same age. This is the 'grey' economy at work. Illegal workers have a big incentive to come here and the government does nothing about this (becaue it's costly and complicated and they've defunded the border/immigration forces). Instead they are trying to distract people with these bloody small boats, which carry a far smaller proportion of illegal immigrants. By far the biggest source of illegal workers is via planes. People come on holiday or work visas and simply don't go home afterwards, And there are no resources to chase anyone up. Hence the thriving grey economy. Surely we cannot be the only country where this is happening when you think of all those european countries that exist with no physical borders who have far more immegrants than we have ever got in recent times.
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Post by vicar on Apr 24, 2024 11:45:53 GMT
This is the 'grey' economy at work. Illegal workers have a big incentive to come here and the government does nothing about this (becaue it's costly and complicated and they've defunded the border/immigration forces). Instead they are trying to distract people with these bloody small boats, which carry a far smaller proportion of illegal immigrants. By far the biggest source of illegal workers is via planes. People come on holiday or work visas and simply don't go home afterwards, And there are no resources to chase anyone up. Hence the thriving grey economy. Surely we cannot be the only country where this is happening when you think of all those european countries that exist with no physical borders who have far more immegrants than we have ever got in recent times. In most of Europe you have to carry some form of identification and the police can check whether you're here legally straight away. When I travel to Europe (not Spain as I have residency) I'm asked how long I'm visiting and why I'm visiting before my passport's stamped, when my wife shows her Danish passport in the UK there's no questions asked and no stamping of her passport, Britain's easy once you're in.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 24, 2024 11:56:26 GMT
This is the 'grey' economy at work. Illegal workers have a big incentive to come here and the government does nothing about this (becaue it's costly and complicated and they've defunded the border/immigration forces). Instead they are trying to distract people with these bloody small boats, which carry a far smaller proportion of illegal immigrants. By far the biggest source of illegal workers is via planes. People come on holiday or work visas and simply don't go home afterwards, And there are no resources to chase anyone up. Hence the thriving grey economy. Surely we cannot be the only country where this is happening when you think of all those european countries that exist with no physical borders who have far more immegrants than we have ever got in recent times. [edit:] MARSDEN!!! True perhaps, but English is an additional language (even at a somewhat basic level) for so many people, and also EU countries have mandatory ID cards which makes opening a bank account, finding somewhere to live and/or accessing public services that wee bit more difficult. On that second point, if the Conservatives were serious about cracking down on illegal immigration (rather than just trying to swing elections in their favour), they’d probably have a lot more success bringing in mandatory photo ID for everything not just voting. But it goes against Tory orthodoxy to have to carry your “Ausweis” at all times, so they never will.
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Post by orkneyhatter on Apr 24, 2024 15:39:29 GMT
Surely we cannot be the only country where this is happening when you think of all those european countries that exist with no physical borders who have far more immegrants than we have ever got in recent times. [edit:] MARSDEN!!! True perhaps, but English is an additional language (even at a somewhat basic level) for so many people, and also EU countries have mandatory ID cards which makes opening a bank account, finding somewhere to live and/or accessing public services that wee bit more difficult. On that second point, if the Conservatives were serious about cracking down on illegal immigration (rather than just trying to swing elections in their favour), they’d probably have a lot more success bringing in mandatory photo ID for everything not just voting. But it goes against Tory orthodoxy to have to carry your “Ausweis” at all times, so they never will. true but having to carry ID appears to be the devil incarnate for many. Can see it heading that way though, especially as banks etc seem to demand it more often and a good percentage of people have either passport, driving licence,bus pass or some other type of photo ID these days.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 25, 2024 8:21:06 GMT
true but having to carry ID appears to be the devil incarnate for many. Can see it heading that way though, especially as banks etc seem to demand it more often and a good percentage of people have either passport, driving licence,bus pass or some other type of photo ID these days. However not all forms of photo ID are accepted depending what service you want. Cannot see anything wrong with carrying an ID card around as long as there is no action taken if you forget it when asked. Know many oldies especially women whose only form of ID is a bus pass thats sometimes not on a list of ID accepted. Doubt they,d be bothered about carrying ID as they would have had cards as kids after WW2.
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Post by vicar on Apr 25, 2024 10:04:25 GMT
Surely we cannot be the only country where this is happening when you think of all those european countries that exist with no physical borders who have far more immegrants than we have ever got in recent times. [edit:] MARSDEN!!! True perhaps, but English is an additional language (even at a somewhat basic level) for so many people, and also EU countries have mandatory ID cards which makes opening a bank account, finding somewhere to live and/or accessing public services that wee bit more difficult. On that second point, if the Conservatives were serious about cracking down on illegal immigration (rather than just trying to swing elections in their favour), they’d probably have a lot more success bringing in mandatory photo ID for everything not just voting. But it goes against Tory orthodoxy to have to carry your “Ausweis” at all times, so they never will. It’s not so much against tory orthodoxy it's because we can't get these big projects up and running, we're totally useless at anything like that, we can't even do customs checks so only our goods are checked at European borders and European goods come straight in and it's the same with people we just can't do this stuff, Spain we're given a deadline to issue thousands of cards to Brits and they did it, we'd have kept moving the date back.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 25, 2024 10:28:47 GMT
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Post by scfc73 on Apr 25, 2024 11:57:59 GMT
Disgusting. If it's happened inside the bus station I'd like to think there's cctv involved?
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Post by vicar on Apr 25, 2024 12:35:36 GMT
Disgusting. If it's happened inside the bus station I'd like to think there's cctv involved? I would have thought so, a mate of mine and some of you will know him is a similar age to the bloke involved and he got into a scrap with some young lads in Piccadily and from someone who witnessed it he was swatting them like flies, it's just a shame they didn't pick on someone similar, I hope the bloke makes a full recovery and the scrotes get caught.
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Post by geordiehatter on Apr 25, 2024 18:43:39 GMT
true but having to carry ID appears to be the devil incarnate for many. Can see it heading that way though, especially as banks etc seem to demand it more often and a good percentage of people have either passport, driving licence,bus pass or some other type of photo ID these days. However not all forms of photo ID are accepted depending what service you want. Cannot see anything wrong with carrying an ID card around as long as there is no action taken if you forget it when asked. Know many oldies especially women whose only form of ID is a bus pass thats sometimes not on a list of ID accepted. Doubt they,d be bothered about carrying ID as they would have had cards as kids after WW2. And also as long as the officially agreed forms of ID are accepted wherever they should be. Lost count of the amount of times Young Geordie Hatter has been out and about with just his 'Scotscard' on him for identification, and they won't take that as proof of his drinking-age status. Think it sometimes happens in Scotland as well (where he's a student). Suppose just having one form of ID across the board would at least sort that out.
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Post by geordiehatter on Apr 25, 2024 18:47:29 GMT
Always wondered if all those mentioned are not private businesses but part of larger chains not totally running legally. Round my way you get takeaway menu,s that do the same thing at the same price but give the impression of being independent. Our nail bars all look to be run by people from the far east and the barbers all seem to have lads from the middle east working in them all roughly the same age. This is the 'grey' economy at work. Illegal workers have a big incentive to come here and the government does nothing about this (becaue it's costly and complicated and they've defunded the border/immigration forces). Instead they are trying to distract people with these bloody small boats, which carry a far smaller proportion of illegal immigrants. By far the biggest source of illegal workers is via planes. People come on holiday or work visas and simply don't go home afterwards, And there are no resources to chase anyone up. Hence the thriving grey economy. I've never thought about it like that, but when you set it out, it's obvious. Why would you risk the small boat crossing if you could get a plane, which of course so many will be able to. Makes it even more obvious how the whole Small Boats thing is just an electioneering tactic (sorry, veering into Politics Thread territory here..)
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Post by geordiehatter on Apr 25, 2024 18:48:22 GMT
Would love to see Riley's converted into a lower mid sized music venue. Reckon it would perfect for that and Stockport doesn't have something like that. Thinking Electric Ballroom Camden size, maybe a bit smaller as I'm not entirely sure of the square footage inside. That would be a cracking idea & from memory it's easily big enough. It would be good to have a band on the wall type venue in Stockport. Older posters will probably remember it being used as a music venue originally. Near me that place, and I always think it's such a shame how it remains unused.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 25, 2024 20:01:28 GMT
Surely we cannot be the only country where this is happening when you think of all those european countries that exist with no physical borders who have far more immegrants than we have ever got in recent times. [edit:] MARSDEN!!! True perhaps, but English is an additional language (even at a somewhat basic level) for so many people, and also EU countries have mandatory ID cards which makes opening a bank account, finding somewhere to live and/or accessing public services that wee bit more difficult. On that second point, if the Conservatives were serious about cracking down on illegal immigration (rather than just trying to swing elections in their favour), they’d probably have a lot more success bringing in mandatory photo ID for everything not just voting. But it goes against Tory orthodoxy to have to carry your “Ausweis” at all times, so they never will. Tbh I'm a bit iffy about the idea of mandatory IDs. Especially if you're required to carry them at all times. Then again I'm not wailing about immigration.
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Post by vicar on Apr 25, 2024 21:02:45 GMT
That would be a cracking idea & from memory it's easily big enough. It would be good to have a band on the wall type venue in Stockport. Older posters will probably remember it being used as a music venue originally. Near me that place, and I always think it's such a shame how it remains unused. It would need a Plaza style campaign to get it up and running.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 26, 2024 7:44:20 GMT
Tbh I'm a bit iffy about the idea of mandatory IDs. Especially if you're required to carry them at all times. Then again I'm not wailing about immigration. Its not about reducing our freedom by having them or knocking immigrants but the ease of having just one form of ID that will be recognised by everyone to obtain services. If you are asked for it and its at home or in another pocket you could be asked to produce in a stipulated time in the same way if the police with to see your driving licence. |That would not bother me but it would if some civvy in a high vis acting as security asked me to show anything. No big lover of the police but that lot wind me up as some seem power mad acting like some para miletary force.
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