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Post by Bredburyhatter on Oct 4, 2021 22:16:09 GMT
When you said newborns, I initially thought you meant the young players!! Never thought he was comfortable when he played with Festus a couple of seasons ago, and always thought he and Palmer played much better together. Did Hogan and Festus even play together? The season was not long called off once Hogan arrived then Festus went before the next season started. Now you mention it, I actually think it was Palmer that never looked comfortable with Festus, yet looked good with Hogan... my mistake!!
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Post by suedehead on Oct 5, 2021 7:00:41 GMT
When you said newborns, I initially thought you meant the young players!! Never thought he was comfortable when he played with Festus a couple of seasons ago, and always thought he and Palmer played much better together. Did Hogan and Festus even play together? The season was not long called off once Hogan arrived then Festus went before the next season started. They did on a handful of games before Covid kicked in. Festus came on against Bromley on Hogan’s debut too.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 5, 2021 8:25:50 GMT
Barclay has looked tosh, but have we played him in a natural position? Look at Whitfield's performances since we've played him in position. Then also Paddy Madden's now firing since he's getting supplied etc. Exactly. Always thought barclay played on the left in a back 3 for accrington last season. michael nottingham or rodgers played on the right where barclay is playing for us. Suppose its a case of our coaching staff knowing far more than those in division 1 know.
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 5, 2021 8:29:44 GMT
Did Hogan and Festus even play together? The season was not long called off once Hogan arrived then Festus went before the next season started. Now you mention it, I actually think it was Palmer that never looked comfortable with Festus, yet looked good with Hogan... my mistake!! With palmer looking even better with stott playing to his left. Stott was another who had the odd mistake in him early in games but was first frozen out and then sent out. hogan has in every game i have seen him start have a couple of blunders but his reward is being made captain.
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Post by leicesterhatter on Oct 5, 2021 13:44:51 GMT
Barclay has looked tosh, but have we played him in a natural position? Look at Whitfield's performances since we've played him in position. Then also Paddy Madden's now firing since he's getting supplied etc. Exactly. Always thought barclay played on the left in a back 3 for accrington last season. michael nottingham or rodgers played on the right where barclay is playing for us. Suppose its a case of our coaching staff knowing far more than those in division 1 know. Barclay on the left of the three to start with and looked bad...
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Post by wnm on Oct 5, 2021 16:08:56 GMT
Exactly. Always thought barclay played on the left in a back 3 for accrington last season. michael nottingham or rodgers played on the right where barclay is playing for us. Suppose its a case of our coaching staff knowing far more than those in division 1 know. Barclay on the left of the three to start with and looked bad... I watched some Accy highlights on YT from last season to see where he did play and it was generally either in a back four or right/centre of a back three. There was one game out of the 10 or so I scrolled through he was in CM.
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Post by m20hatter on Oct 5, 2021 16:17:29 GMT
Barclay has looked tosh, but have we played him in a natural position? Look at Whitfield's performances since we've played him in position. Then also Paddy Madden's now firing since he's getting supplied etc. Exactly. Always thought barclay played on the left in a back 3 for accrington last season. michael nottingham or rodgers played on the right where barclay is playing for us. Suppose its a case of our coaching staff knowing far more than those in division 1 know. He said in one of his interviews with us that playing on the left was completely new to him.
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Post by scfc73 on Oct 5, 2021 16:55:15 GMT
As much as I don’t rate Hogan as highly as others if others are calling out a dip in form I can’t help but think his newborns are having an effect on him. I can’t help but think he should get some proper paternity leave, it’s not like we have a shortage of right footed centre backs (Palmer, Fish, Barclay and even Keane can do a job there when fit). Lol that is so true. He must look forward to overnight trips as he's not being woken up during the night. I bet he has no problem with curfews and things like that. I bet he's in bed for 9 and lie in, sounds great to me I get up with the kids 5.20, or 06.00 everyday! Also great point my performance dropped at work after my second. New borns are just so hard twin's as well. I imagine football and fixed term contracts put pressure on Hogan. He's still not preformed well though. I get that having a new baby or babies is hard & I think everyone should be entitled to paternity leave regardless of profession but let's have it right he's a professional footballer, plays twice a week at most & probably trains for 2-3 hours a day, his missus is probably on maternity leave so he'll have plenty of time to kop a nap here & there. When my daughter was born i was on permanent 12 hour night shifts, usually 60 hour weeks, i'd finish the night shift then be up with my daughter most of the day when my wife went back to work after her maternity leave, I was lucky if i could grab two or 3 hours kip before doing the next 12 hour shift, how i didn't lose an arm in my machine at work due to my zombified state is beyond me! There's millions of people up & down the country doing the same crap right now & they have my upmost sympathy, however, footballers, even at our level don't get the same level of sympathy, most of them don't know what real work is! makes my piss boil when i hear about these pampered players at the top level saying they're tired because they've played 3 games in a week!
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 6, 2021 8:27:35 GMT
I get that having a new baby or babies is hard & I think everyone should be entitled to paternity leave regardless of profession but let's have it right he's a professional footballer, plays twice a week at most & probably trains for 2-3 hours a day, his missus is probably on maternity leave so he'll have plenty of time to kop a nap here & there. When my daughter was born i was on permanent 12 hour night shifts, usually 60 hour weeks, i'd finish the night shift then be up with my daughter most of the day when my wife went back to work after her maternity leave, I was lucky if i could grab two or 3 hours kip before doing the next 12 hour shift, how i didn't lose an arm in my machine at work due to my zombified state is beyond me! There's millions of people up & down the country doing the same crap right now & they have my upmost sympathy, however, footballers, even at our level don't get the same level of sympathy, most of them don't know what real work is! makes my piss boil when i hear about these pampered players at the top level saying they're tired because they've played 3 games in a week! So whats exactly new about blokes whose wives or partners have given birth. Most knew what would be going to happen to their lives once the birth happened. It will become harder and not easier as the years go by. There is the terrible 2,s to get through that may run parents really ragged. Looking back the easiest part of bringing my lad up was the first few months of his life, My ex would totally agree.
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Post by tgttiw on Oct 6, 2021 10:26:17 GMT
I get that having a new baby or babies is hard & I think everyone should be entitled to paternity leave regardless of profession but let's have it right he's a professional footballer, plays twice a week at most & probably trains for 2-3 hours a day, his missus is probably on maternity leave so he'll have plenty of time to kop a nap here & there. When my daughter was born i was on permanent 12 hour night shifts, usually 60 hour weeks, i'd finish the night shift then be up with my daughter most of the day when my wife went back to work after her maternity leave, I was lucky if i could grab two or 3 hours kip before doing the next 12 hour shift, how i didn't lose an arm in my machine at work due to my zombified state is beyond me! There's millions of people up & down the country doing the same crap right now & they have my upmost sympathy, however, footballers, even at our level don't get the same level of sympathy, most of them don't know what real work is! makes my piss boil when i hear about these pampered players at the top level saying they're tired because they've played 3 games in a week! So whats exactly new about blokes whose wives or partners have given birth. Most knew what would be going to happen to their lives once the birth happened. It will become harder and not easier as the years go by. There is the terrible 2,s to get through that may run parents really ragged. Looking back the easiest part of bringing my lad up was the first few months of his life, My ex would totally agree. Thanks timber mine are 1 and 5 so I've got it all to come. More optimistic about number 2 being interested in footy though.
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Post by bighead on Oct 6, 2021 10:31:57 GMT
Lol that is so true. He must look forward to overnight trips as he's not being woken up during the night. I bet he has no problem with curfews and things like that. I bet he's in bed for 9 and lie in, sounds great to me I get up with the kids 5.20, or 06.00 everyday! Also great point my performance dropped at work after my second. New borns are just so hard twin's as well. I imagine football and fixed term contracts put pressure on Hogan. He's still not preformed well though. I get that having a new baby or babies is hard & I think everyone should be entitled to paternity leave regardless of profession but let's have it right he's a professional footballer, plays twice a week at most & probably trains for 2-3 hours a day, his missus is probably on maternity leave so he'll have plenty of time to kop a nap here & there. When my daughter was born i was on permanent 12 hour night shifts, usually 60 hour weeks, i'd finish the night shift then be up with my daughter most of the day when my wife went back to work after her maternity leave, I was lucky if i could grab two or 3 hours kip before doing the next 12 hour shift, how i didn't lose an arm in my machine at work due to my zombified state is beyond me! There's millions of people up & down the country doing the same crap right now & they have my upmost sympathy, however, footballers, even at our level don't get the same level of sympathy, most of them don't know what real work is! makes my piss boil when i hear about these pampered players at the top level saying they're tired because they've played 3 games in a week! I thought we had got past stuff like this.. Doesn't matter what you or I did. Doesn't matter to any one but us. Anybody becoming a new dad has different experiences and reactions. I didn't really rate him before but you can see a change. That's to be expected. Mentally we don't know what he's going through nor should we disregard it because 'he's a footballer'
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Post by suedehead on Oct 6, 2021 10:43:59 GMT
I get that having a new baby or babies is hard & I think everyone should be entitled to paternity leave regardless of profession but let's have it right he's a professional footballer, plays twice a week at most & probably trains for 2-3 hours a day, his missus is probably on maternity leave so he'll have plenty of time to kop a nap here & there. When my daughter was born i was on permanent 12 hour night shifts, usually 60 hour weeks, i'd finish the night shift then be up with my daughter most of the day when my wife went back to work after her maternity leave, I was lucky if i could grab two or 3 hours kip before doing the next 12 hour shift, how i didn't lose an arm in my machine at work due to my zombified state is beyond me! There's millions of people up & down the country doing the same crap right now & they have my upmost sympathy, however, footballers, even at our level don't get the same level of sympathy, most of them don't know what real work is! makes my piss boil when i hear about these pampered players at the top level saying they're tired because they've played 3 games in a week! I thought we had got past stuff like this.. Doesn't matter what you or I did. Doesn't matter to any one but us. Anybody becoming a new dad has different experiences and reactions. I didn't really rate him before but you can see a change. That's to be expected. Mentally we don't know what he's going through nor should we disregard it because 'he's a footballer' Absolutely. He's undoubtedly in a privileged position of not having to work 12 hour shifts and all that but the mental effect of having a baby can be massive on the father, as well as the mother. He may be really struggling with it, I did. And I don't mean the obvious strains everyone has of sleepless nights, disruption to routine etc. There's a whole host of post-birth issues that can effect both parents. And even if Liam isn't suffering them directly, his missus way well be. Being a well-compensated footballer doesn't mean he's any better suited than I am to dealing with mental/emotional issues that sometimes come with a new baby. It can be a horribly lonely and brutal time.
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Post by Waldorf on Oct 6, 2021 11:01:33 GMT
I thought we had got past stuff like this.. Doesn't matter what you or I did. Doesn't matter to any one but us. Anybody becoming a new dad has different experiences and reactions. I didn't really rate him before but you can see a change. That's to be expected. Mentally we don't know what he's going through nor should we disregard it because 'he's a footballer' Absolutely. He's undoubtedly in a privileged position of not having to work 12 hour shifts and all that but the mental effect of having a baby can be massive on the father, as well as the mother. He may be really struggling with it, I did. And I don't mean the obvious strains everyone has of sleepless nights, disruption to routine etc. There's a whole host of post-birth issues that can effect both parents. And even if Liam isn't suffering them directly, his missus way well be. Being a well-compensated footballer doesn't mean he's any better suited than I am to dealing with mental/emotional issues that sometimes come with a new baby. It can be a horribly lonely and brutal time. 100%.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Oct 6, 2021 11:09:45 GMT
Absolutely. He's undoubtedly in a privileged position of not having to work 12 hour shifts and all that but the mental effect of having a baby can be massive on the father, as well as the mother. He may be really struggling with it, I did. And I don't mean the obvious strains everyone has of sleepless nights, disruption to routine etc. There's a whole host of post-birth issues that can effect both parents. And even if Liam isn't suffering them directly, his missus way well be. Being a well-compensated footballer doesn't mean he's any better suited than I am to dealing with mental/emotional issues that sometimes come with a new baby. It can be a horribly lonely and brutal time. 100%. 100%. And he wasn't player of the year for nothing, although reading some comments you'd think he'd awarded the trophy to himself. If he plays on Saturday, I'd hope we could really get behind him.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 6, 2021 11:20:31 GMT
100%. And he wasn't player of the year for nothing, although reading some comments you'd think he'd awarded the trophy to himself. If he plays on Saturday, I'd hope we could really get behind him. Agree. I was really critical of him after Halifax, and I do think sometimes he comes across as berating other players, but he's undoubtedly one of the better players we've got. His performances have definitely dropped since last season but so have most players tbh. If we can get him back to where he was second half of last season then we've got arguably the best centre half in the division.
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