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Post by suedehead on Oct 6, 2021 11:43:46 GMT
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Post by DaveLong79 on Oct 6, 2021 11:50:51 GMT
I thought we had got past stuff like this.. Doesn't matter what you or I did. Doesn't matter to any one but us. Anybody becoming a new dad has different experiences and reactions. I didn't really rate him before but you can see a change. That's to be expected. Mentally we don't know what he's going through nor should we disregard it because 'he's a footballer' Absolutely. He's undoubtedly in a privileged position of not having to work 12 hour shifts and all that but the mental effect of having a baby can be massive on the father, as well as the mother. He may be really struggling with it, I did. And I don't mean the obvious strains everyone has of sleepless nights, disruption to routine etc. There's a whole host of post-birth issues that can effect both parents. And even if Liam isn't suffering them directly, his missus way well be. Being a well-compensated footballer doesn't mean he's any better suited than I am to dealing with mental/emotional issues that sometimes come with a new baby. It can be a horribly lonely and brutal time. Absolutely, in fact being well paid and having more free time than those working mega long shifts can actually make things worse, because there is the stigma of being seemingly pampered and under-worked. Becoming a parent, whether it's your first child or fourth, is still bloody hard work. When your chosen profession is right in the public eye and you're judged by thousands of people every week, that's got to make things 100 times more difficult. As a side note, there is 10 years difference between our third and fourth child. We thought we were well prepared for a newborn, but it was surprising just how out of practice we were! It took a few weeks to shake off the rustiness.
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Post by countyblueforever on Oct 6, 2021 11:52:44 GMT
I remember that watching the streams, last season, that I continually shouted at Hogan for the number of mistimed tackles, needlessly giving the ball away, committing fouls outside the box and often being caught in possession. I cannot remember many matches he didn’t have a blip.
He is a liability and I just hope he comes good enough to retain his place. I am not one to be critical as all players try their best but Liam needs to become more assured on the ball and look at where he is passing the ball to, as well as to cut out making rash tackles.
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Post by DaveLong79 on Oct 6, 2021 11:54:30 GMT
100%. And he wasn't player of the year for nothing, although reading some comments you'd think he'd awarded the trophy to himself. If he plays on Saturday, I'd hope we could really get behind him. Agree. I was really critical of him after Halifax, and I do think sometimes he comes across as berating other players, but he's undoubtedly one of the better players we've got. His performances have definitely dropped since last season but so have most players tbh. If we can get him back to where he was second half of last season then we've got arguably the best centre half in the division. Spot on. Other than MSH I think you'd struggle to name a player who has been consistent or actually improved over the last six to nine months. Not a dig at Rusk or the management, but we've struggled to maintain any type of high performance for a long while now, the next few games up to the end of the month are a great chance to put that right.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Oct 6, 2021 12:06:03 GMT
Is the difference between the situation with Hogan and the one in the article that County actually has a bit of a surplus of defensive players? Surely we can manage without him for a few games? They’re not all so bad that they’re still below a sleep-deprived and/or emotionally drained LH, are they? I appreciate there’s a lot to be said for paternity leave lasting a lot longer than a couple of weeks, but that’s perhaps a different conversation to not being given any at all?
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Post by ebbs on Oct 6, 2021 12:12:41 GMT
So whats exactly new about blokes whose wives or partners have given birth. Most knew what would be going to happen to their lives once the birth happened. It will become harder and not easier as the years go by. There is the terrible 2,s to get through that may run parents really ragged. Looking back the easiest part of bringing my lad up was the first few months of his life, My ex would totally agree. Thanks timber mine are 1 and 5 so I've got it all to come. More optimistic about number 2 being interested in footy though. Wait until they're in their mid teens!!!
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Post by suedehead on Oct 6, 2021 12:21:18 GMT
I remember that watching the streams, last season, that I continually shouted at Hogan for the number of mistimed tackles, needlessly giving the ball away, committing fouls outside the box and often being caught in possession. I cannot remember many matches he didn’t have a blip. He is a liability and I just hope he comes good enough to retain his place. I am not one to be critical as all players try their best but Liam needs to become more assured on the ball and look at where he is passing the ball to, as well as to cut out making rash tackles. Nice input considering the above posts.
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Post by Sina on Oct 6, 2021 12:43:15 GMT
Simply, he's a really good player at this level but has had a poor season so far.
It happens. Human beings innit. Can't be great all the time.
He'll come good. He's not won titles at this level and our player of the year and been named captain for being crap, which some will have you believe.
In contrast to County Blue, I thought he was excellent last season. Of course he made mistakes but so did everyone else. We're in the Conference. There's a reason these lads aren't playing Premier League football.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 6, 2021 13:12:12 GMT
Simply, he's a really good player at this level but has had a poor season so far. It happens. Human beings innit. Can't be great all the time. He'll come good. He's not won titles at this level and our player of the year and been named captain for being crap, which some will have you believe. In contrast to County Blue, I thought he was excellent last season. Of course he made mistakes but so did everyone else. We're in the Conference. There's a reason these lads aren't playing Premier League football. Saying he was crap last season is just rubbish, isn't it? He wasn't, he was superb.
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Post by Sina on Oct 6, 2021 13:14:37 GMT
Simply, he's a really good player at this level but has had a poor season so far. It happens. Human beings innit. Can't be great all the time. He'll come good. He's not won titles at this level and our player of the year and been named captain for being crap, which some will have you believe. In contrast to County Blue, I thought he was excellent last season. Of course he made mistakes but so did everyone else. We're in the Conference. There's a reason these lads aren't playing Premier League football. Saying he was crap last season is just rubbish, isn't it? He wasn't, he was superb. I thought he was excellent so completely agree, bizarre to suggest he was crap! I think what people see is him running with the ball out of defence and for every 5 or 6 times that's a brilliant run and leads to a chance or an attacking situation, he does have a tendency once a game to misplace his pass or get tackled which can lead to some hairy moments, but to be honest, I love that about his game so crack on Liam lad!
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Post by J on Oct 6, 2021 13:22:07 GMT
I thought he was poor overall last season. He had a two month spell just after Christmas when he was really good, it was just after the fallout after Gannon criticised the culture and Hogan came out on social media saying everyone was pulling together. He seemed to just start keeping it simple, and was excellent.
Lasted for a few weeks after Rusk came in and then he started making more and more mistakes towards the end of the season and this has continued this season.
He can have the odd excellent game, but the mistakes are getting more and more pronounced this season.
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Oct 6, 2021 13:29:36 GMT
I thought he was poor overall last season. He had a two month spell just after Christmas when he was really good, it was just after the fallout after Gannon criticised the culture and Hogan came out on social media saying everyone was pulling together. He seemed to just start keeping it simple, and was excellent. Lasted for a few weeks after Rusk came in and then he started making more and more mistakes towards the end of the season and this has continued this season. He can have the odd excellent game, but the mistakes are getting more and more pronounced this season. He was immense against West Ham too. Proper captain's performance.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Oct 6, 2021 13:47:31 GMT
I thought he was poor overall last season. He had a two month spell just after Christmas when he was really good, it was just after the fallout after Gannon criticised the culture and Hogan came out on social media saying everyone was pulling together. He seemed to just start keeping it simple, and was excellent. Lasted for a few weeks after Rusk came in and then he started making more and more mistakes towards the end of the season and this has continued this season. He can have the odd excellent game, but the mistakes are getting more and more pronounced this season. That’s pretty much my thinking as well, and I agree with Fallowfield that he was excellent in the West Ham game (pretty much the whole team was). I don’t think he was as dreadful as CBF suggests but he was far from being my player of the season. I also think the way he seems to blame everyone else for everything makes him a poor choice for captain - pointing fingers rather than trying to gee everyone up like other successful captains we’ve had (I’m thinking Flynn and Turnbull in particular). I do think having newborns is affecting his recent performances though, and given our glut of right footed centre backs he should take some time out of the firing line for me.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Oct 6, 2021 13:48:49 GMT
I thought he was poor overall last season. He had a two month spell just after Christmas when he was really good, it was just after the fallout after Gannon criticised the culture and Hogan came out on social media saying everyone was pulling together. He seemed to just start keeping it simple, and was excellent. Lasted for a few weeks after Rusk came in and then he started making more and more mistakes towards the end of the season and this has continued this season. He can have the odd excellent game, but the mistakes are getting more and more pronounced this season. He was immense against West Ham too. Proper captain's performance. Considering the post in another thread about the general love-in between manager and players, is there any evidence that a different balance between carrot and stick is required to get the best out of our players? Not necessarily LH as there are extenuating circumstances for him, but there seems to be an inverse relationship between how chummy the players are with the manager and the quality of the football that’s being served up.
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Post by scfc29 on Oct 6, 2021 13:48:52 GMT
Saying he was crap last season is just rubbish, isn't it? He wasn't, he was superb. I thought he was excellent so completely agree, bizarre to suggest he was crap! I think what people see is him running with the ball out of defence and for every 5 or 6 times that's a brilliant run and leads to a chance or an attacking situation, he does have a tendency once a game to misplace his pass or get tackled which can lead to some hairy moments, but to be honest, I love that about his game so crack on Liam lad! This is accurate. The more ‘traditional’ fans of football don’t seem to be fans of centre half’s playing out with the ball - you can sometimes hear a groan when one does, or a keeper passes it out when sitting in the main stand. Hogan has the quality to be a centre half of a title winning team in this division. But his form has clearly been below the standard required so far. Who knows if that’s due to his family situation, lack of confidence, not being satisfied with management or a simple loss of form who knows - but pretty confident he’ll come out the other side.
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