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Post by timberwolf on Jul 24, 2024 10:58:54 GMT
Bailey will have a big season this year, looked very sharp so far in pre season If our first choice formation ends up being 343 then Bailey’s going to see very little game time. Unless we do get Barry that is. Felt we lost a bit from Bailey himself once Barry got injured and never felt he was the same influential player after that. Would we actually have paid money or signed the player on his last two months of the season.
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Post by wnm on Jul 24, 2024 11:03:46 GMT
If our first choice formation ends up being 343 then Bailey’s going to see very little game time. Can't see us playing with 3-4-3 our midfield is just going to be too light. Bate and Fiorini look great techincal players but would get eaten an alive off the ball just two of them in there. Same for all our combinations with Camps or Powell etc.
I think it'll be 4-3-3 or 4-diamond-2 but if we have to go back to script, which could be often in this league as there are lots of tough challenges, we'll go back to the bread and butter 3-5-2.
We’ve played it in pre season. We’ve also brought Mingi in and paid money off the back off his performances as a RCB in a three. When Hughes was signed is ability to play as a side CB in a three was highlighted. We’ve not got a number 10 in the squad. This new signing looks like a very attacking wing back. We’ve added two wingers to the squad plus Fiorini played wide in a 343 system at Lincoln (though personally think he’ll be flop wherever he plays). Everything points to 343 being something we’re working towards. Though I do agree we’ll mix it up lots I’m sure. Also you have an extra defender in a 343. No reason why that would be more exposed than 433 with a wing back playing at left back like Rydel or the signing from Crystal Palace if Bate is going to be the DM with Collar and Fiorini ahead of him. In fact I’d argue that’s even riskier.
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Post by albybeliever on Jul 24, 2024 11:04:45 GMT
Bailey will have a big season this year, looked very sharp so far in pre season If our first choice formation ends up being 343 then Bailey’s going to see very little game time. In any formation involving a front three, I'd currently see him as the backup for Fevrier at right wing/forward. Or do you think we end up playing Tanto wide quite often?
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Post by wnm on Jul 24, 2024 11:06:19 GMT
If our first choice formation ends up being 343 then Bailey’s going to see very little game time. Unless we do get Barry that is. Felt we lost a bit from Bailey himself once Barry got injured and never felt he was the same influential player after that. Would we actually have paid money or signed the player on his last two months of the season. He didn’t play the last two months of the season. He appeared in the last five games and we didn’t see him for more than 45 minutes in any of them. He also wreaked absolute havoc against Accrington in the final home game.
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Post by wnm on Jul 24, 2024 11:10:28 GMT
If our first choice formation ends up being 343 then Bailey’s going to see very little game time. In any formation involving a front three, I'd currently see him as the backup for Fevrier at right wing/forward. Or do you think we end up playing Tanto wide quite often? We’ll be bringing in Barry or another of a similar type. Diamond can play either side. Tanto could play wide in a three as he did at times last season. Fiorini played that role at Lincoln. There is going to be lots of competition for places. Does he make the bench if everyone is fit?
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Post by gibbo on Jul 24, 2024 11:20:11 GMT
Again, I'm not saying Powell did nothing. He did. But he could be a lot better. Post-Christmas he was 6/10 for me last year with lots of room for improvement. Pre-Christmas his overall contribution was more like like a 3-4/10. Compared to Hinchliffe, Horsfall, Pye etc where you'd be giving 8.5/10 as an absolute minimum across the whole season. Don't disagree, and I'm mainly talking from the perspective of us (as it potentially seems we might) cutting our losses on him now. If he stays and has 2 more seasons like last then it's a poor investment for me, alternatively if he plays more games and at the high level we've seen glimpses of then it could go down as an excellent investment (even with the large outlay).
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Post by slomasscfc on Jul 24, 2024 11:31:53 GMT
If our first choice formation ends up being 343 then Bailey’s going to see very little game time. Can't see us playing with 3-4-3 our midfield is just going to be too light. Bate and Fiorini look great techincal players but would get eaten a alive off the ball just two of them in there. Same for all our combinations with Camps or Powell etc.
I think it'll be 4-3-3 or 4-diamond-2 but if we have to go back to script, which could be often in this league as there are lots of tough challenges, we'll go back to the bread and butter 3-5-2.
From what I heard the preferred formation will be 343 but naturally we have options to deviate and be flexible with that and change where appropriate with players we have whatever we play will be pretty fluid out of possession it's the structure we get into without the ball that is more important
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 24, 2024 11:41:23 GMT
Can't see us playing with 3-4-3 our midfield is just going to be too light. Bate and Fiorini look great techincal players but would get eaten a alive off the ball just two of them in there. Same for all our combinations with Camps or Powell etc.
I think it'll be 4-3-3 or 4-diamond-2 but if we have to go back to script, which could be often in this league as there are lots of tough challenges, we'll go back to the bread and butter 3-5-2.
From what I heard the preferred formation will be 343 but naturally we have options to deviate and be flexible with that and change where appropriate with players we have whatever we play will be pretty fluid out of possession it's the structure we get into without the ball that is more important Our preferred idea last season was a back three of Knoyle-Horsfall-Touray.
We have these idealistic pre-season ideas but I'm going to predict we'll roll back to 3-5-2 when we get a few punches on the nose.
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 24, 2024 11:42:25 GMT
Think I'm more saying that in the logic of Stott's thinking / investment, etc, it's possibly a case of him being happy to spend X to get Y. He spent X and got Y, of which Powell helped somewhat to get that Y. Retrospectively, the breakdown of the individual contributions against the specific money invested in each of the individuals is possibly not that important to Stott (though obviously will determine future decisions at a Wilson level). I think the 'somewhat' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. And I do get what you're saying, but I still think we'd have been promoted without him and so we should be a bit more careful with throwing that money around, regardless of whether it's team budget or Stott's own money (which I know is essentially the same thing). He definitely contributed, but so did Lewis Cass and Todd Kane. And we arguably got more value for money out of those two given the money we ploughed into Powell. Again, I'm not saying Powell did nothing. He did. But he could be a lot better. Post-Christmas he was 6/10 for me last year with lots of room for improvement. Pre-Christmas his overall contribution was more like like a 3-4/10. Compared to Hinchliffe, Horsfall, Pye etc where you'd be giving 8.5/10 as an absolute minimum across the whole season. Comparing him with Kane and Cass is a little disrespectful. Cass played maybe 5 90 minutes and Kane 2? I expected more from Powell last year but he only missed 2 games after Christmas. That’s pretty good availability, especially when compared with the rest of our squad. A lot of that time in the second half of the season, he covered the defensive midfield role which is a totally new role to him and I thought he did pretty well there, especially defensively for someone out of position - covering for our other injured players Croasdale and Camps (who missed far more football than him last year). He’s clearly our highest earner and as such we fairly expect more from him but I think he’s judged harshly because of his price tag and perceived attitude/ex Utd player etc. I’d like to see him stay and if so would think be a very important player for this year.
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Post by albybeliever on Jul 24, 2024 11:47:51 GMT
From what I heard the preferred formation will be 343 but naturally we have options to deviate and be flexible with that and change where appropriate with players we have whatever we play will be pretty fluid out of possession it's the structure we get into without the ball that is more important Our preferred idea last season was a back three of Knoyle-Horsfall-Touray.
We have these idealistic pre-season ideas but I'm going to predict we'll roll back to 3-5-2 when we get a few punches on the nose.
Yep, that was a bad idea that quickly got found out by reality and I think 3-4-3 might prove to be another (though obviously I'll be happy if I'm wrong, which I could well be!). If it doesn't work, I personally hope we move to 4-3-3 (with Mingi/Connolly holding and Bate as an eight) or 4-2-3-1 (with Mingi/Connolly next to Bate/Camps at the base of midfield).
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Post by slomasscfc on Jul 24, 2024 11:54:37 GMT
From what I heard the preferred formation will be 343 but naturally we have options to deviate and be flexible with that and change where appropriate with players we have whatever we play will be pretty fluid out of possession it's the structure we get into without the ball that is more important Our preferred idea last season was a back three of Knoyle-Horsfall-Touray.
We have these idealistic pre-season ideas but I'm going to predict we'll roll back to 3-5-2 when we get a few punches on the nose.
Which is fine many variables over course of season that may necessitate a desire or need to change shape
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Post by wnm on Jul 24, 2024 12:27:33 GMT
Can't see us playing with 3-4-3 our midfield is just going to be too light. Bate and Fiorini look great techincal players but would get eaten a alive off the ball just two of them in there. Same for all our combinations with Camps or Powell etc.
I think it'll be 4-3-3 or 4-diamond-2 but if we have to go back to script, which could be often in this league as there are lots of tough challenges, we'll go back to the bread and butter 3-5-2.
From what I heard the preferred formation will be 343 but naturally we have options to deviate and be flexible with that and change where appropriate with players we have whatever we play will be pretty fluid out of possession it's the structure we get into without the ball that is more important If everybody is fit (except MSH) first choice team: Addai Mingi Horsfall Pye Knoyle/New RWB Bate Collar Adaramola Fevrier Tanto Barry/another loanee Subs: Hinchliffe, Connolly, Hughes, Fiorini, Diamond, Wootton, Mellon Others: Metcalfe, Touray, Rydel, Camps, Powell, Johnson, Bailey, Stretton
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 24, 2024 12:32:30 GMT
From what I heard the preferred formation will be 343 but naturally we have options to deviate and be flexible with that and change where appropriate with players we have whatever we play will be pretty fluid out of possession it's the structure we get into without the ball that is more important If everybody is fit (except MSH) first choice team: Addai Mingi Horsfall Pye Knoyle/New RWB Bate Collar Adaramola Fevrier Tanto Barry/another loanee Subs: Hinchliffe, Connolly, Hughes, Fiorini, Diamond, Wootton, Mellon Others: Metcalfe, Touray, Rydel, Camps, Powell, Johnson, Bailey, Stretton knoyle is good enough for me and diamond starts unless barry is here although im not 100% convinced hes best as a winger, more of a striker with someone else to play with like last season. But rest of the team i agree with but we would need atleast one of touray or rydel on the bench otherwise connoly would have to play LB which Blackpool fans said he was a disaster there
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Post by wnm on Jul 24, 2024 12:41:25 GMT
If everybody is fit (except MSH) first choice team: Addai Mingi Horsfall Pye Knoyle/New RWB Bate Collar Adaramola Fevrier Tanto Barry/another loanee Subs: Hinchliffe, Connolly, Hughes, Fiorini, Diamond, Wootton, Mellon Others: Metcalfe, Touray, Rydel, Camps, Powell, Johnson, Bailey, Stretton knoyle is good enough for me and diamond starts unless barry is here although im not 100% convinced hes best as a winger, more of a striker with someone else to play with like last season. But rest of the team i agree with but we would need atleast one of touray or rydel on the bench otherwise connoly would have to play LB which Blackpool fans said he was a disaster there We played 343 in our final home game against Accrington and Barry looked very at home. As long as he’s high up the pitch he can move into central areas knowing he’s got a LWB down that side to provide width he’s going to cause the opposition trouble.
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Post by countyblueforever on Jul 24, 2024 12:47:34 GMT
With the quality of our signings, the backroom staff at County are doing a first rate job.
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