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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 13:16:13 GMT
Just listened to TSBW and sure they said there were rumours in Spain that Nick Powell might be leaving. Anyone know any more of this? There were murmurs though nothing concrete of a falling out with DC rather than an injury, I'd be happy to see him move on tbh, talent only takes you so far, desire and hunger isn't there for me never liked his profile to hand a 3yr deal out on top money Undoubted ability but showed only glimpses last year never took games by scruff of neck Honestly that interview he did after the celebrations at the end of the season wound me up. I saw a lot of people praising his ambition and drive and the whole “the job isn’t done yet” vibe but it came across arrogant in an unearned way to me. The likes of Paddy and Sarce hadn’t “finished the job” when we went up from the National League but did that stop them celebrating with the rest of us? Of course not. He’s always had a reputation as being someone who doesn’t really like football much and while he denies it I’ve seen nothing to suggest it’s unfounded. It’s not a big deal, and if he does stay with us I’ll continue to support him while he’s playing, but it was the latest in a not insignificant list of things about him that have rubbed me up the wrong way since he’s been with us - and while we saw some decent performances from him here and there no amount of Hollywood passes makes up for what I think we’re lacking with him on the pitch.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 13:20:14 GMT
If we were to cut losses with powell one way or another. Attacking mids we only have fiorini and Bailey. Bailey who for me personally, isn't good enough for League 1. We would need to find someone who can actually work in at 10 and also an 8 instead of a 10 in certain formations/systems His name has been mentioned before on here but someone like will patching would be a good option. Having watched him a few times this season (Ireland league is different times) since he got mentioned, I've been impressed and derry have played 4231 and 352, and he's played 8,10, and even upfront. Transfermarkt says his contract is up at the end of the season in Ireland which is November time so it wouldn't cost much if anything - maybe just throw a sell on clause to get him before his contract runs up at an awkward time for English football This is why I’m a bit surprised we weren’t able to come to an agreement with either Sarcevic or Madden. Because we didn’t want either on 2 year deals.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 13:23:49 GMT
Yeah that's the most likely outcome if he does move on. Would be incredibly frustrating given that most of us pointed out the pitfalls of signing a player who's just come from a 16k a week wage (his Stoke wages, who knows what his wages here are), was 29, signed on a 3 year deal and had warning signs around his attitude. Just hope it can be resolved as he's a quality player and i'm desperate for him to do well here. He did ok last season after a very iffy start and I just feel that we need to get at least one really good season out of him. He looked very good against weak teams likes Grimsby and Doncaster (who were a shambles when we turned them over) but rarely, if ever, did anything against the better sides. For the money he was on, the talent he has etc you'd expect him to be putting in the performances against Mansfield, Wrexham, MK etc and that just didn't happen. Hinchliffe, Horsfall, MSH (when fit), Pye, Barry, Sarcevic (when fit) all played at a consistently high level last season, even the likes of Evans (when he came back), who many regarded as a write-off, showed more than Powell did. If he stays and pulls his finger out and is consistently performing then everyone is happy. But he didn't do it last season, and has rarely done it in his career over the past 12 years or so, so not sure why we expect things to suddenly change now. Even in those games where he did turn it on I’m not convinced he ever brought anything extra we desperately needed. He isn’t like Adam Proudlock who would be missing for games on end but then would single handedly win us a game when he decided to show up.
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Post by Waldorf on Jul 24, 2024 13:33:00 GMT
There were murmurs though nothing concrete of a falling out with DC rather than an injury, I'd be happy to see him move on tbh, talent only takes you so far, desire and hunger isn't there for me never liked his profile to hand a 3yr deal out on top money Undoubted ability but showed only glimpses last year never took games by scruff of neck Honestly that interview he did after the celebrations at the end of the season wound me up. I saw a lot of people praising his ambition and drive and the whole “the job isn’t done yet” vibe but it came across arrogant in an unearned way to me. The likes of Paddy and Sarce hadn’t “finished the job” when we went up from the National League but did that stop them celebrating with the rest of us? Of course not. He’s always had a reputation as being someone who doesn’t really like football much and while he denies it I’ve seen nothing to suggest it’s unfounded. It’s not a big deal, and if he does stay with us I’ll continue to support him while he’s playing, but it was the latest in a not insignificant list of things about him that have rubbed me up the wrong way since he’s been with us - and while we saw some decent performances from him here and there no amount of Hollywood passes makes up for what I think we’re lacking with him on the pitch. I liked that interview - guess it's very subjective. For what it's worth, apparently he was one of the more lively and giddy players at the post parade party.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 13:33:32 GMT
I think the 'somewhat' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. And I do get what you're saying, but I still think we'd have been promoted without him and so we should be a bit more careful with throwing that money around, regardless of whether it's team budget or Stott's own money (which I know is essentially the same thing). He definitely contributed, but so did Lewis Cass and Todd Kane. And we arguably got more value for money out of those two given the money we ploughed into Powell. Again, I'm not saying Powell did nothing. He did. But he could be a lot better. Post-Christmas he was 6/10 for me last year with lots of room for improvement. Pre-Christmas his overall contribution was more like like a 3-4/10. Compared to Hinchliffe, Horsfall, Pye etc where you'd be giving 8.5/10 as an absolute minimum across the whole season. Comparing him with Kane and Cass is a little disrespectful. Cass played maybe 5 90 minutes and Kane 2? I expected more from Powell last year but he only missed 2 games after Christmas. That’s pretty good availability, especially when compared with the rest of our squad. A lot of that time in the second half of the season, he covered the defensive midfield role which is a totally new role to him and I thought he did pretty well there, especially defensively for someone out of position - covering for our other injured players Croasdale and Camps (who missed far more football than him last year). He’s clearly our highest earner and as such we fairly expect more from him but I think he’s judged harshly because of his price tag and perceived attitude/ex Utd player etc. I’d like to see him stay and if so would think be a very important player for this year. I think he had his best games for us in the deeper midfield position. It’s fair to say he’s judged harshly because of his price tag because he is - he’s our most expensive player and he is far from being our biggest contributor. His attitude perceived or otherwise js also something I think it’s fair to say people judge him for. I seriously doubt anybody is judging him because he played a handful of games for Man United. Not one of the people I’ve seen criticising him in the last few pages could give two shits who he played for before. I certainly couldn’t. Do you think people will be harshly criticising Fiorini because he’s come from City? Or Mellon because he’s on loan from Burnley? It’s nonsense.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 13:34:49 GMT
Honestly that interview he did after the celebrations at the end of the season wound me up. I saw a lot of people praising his ambition and drive and the whole “the job isn’t done yet” vibe but it came across arrogant in an unearned way to me. The likes of Paddy and Sarce hadn’t “finished the job” when we went up from the National League but did that stop them celebrating with the rest of us? Of course not. He’s always had a reputation as being someone who doesn’t really like football much and while he denies it I’ve seen nothing to suggest it’s unfounded. It’s not a big deal, and if he does stay with us I’ll continue to support him while he’s playing, but it was the latest in a not insignificant list of things about him that have rubbed me up the wrong way since he’s been with us - and while we saw some decent performances from him here and there no amount of Hollywood passes makes up for what I think we’re lacking with him on the pitch. I liked that interview - guess it's very subjective. For what it's worth, apparently he was one of the more lively and giddy players at the post parade party. It is subjective. I mentioned in my post that a lot of people liked it. I didn’t.
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 24, 2024 13:44:06 GMT
Comparing him with Kane and Cass is a little disrespectful. Cass played maybe 5 90 minutes and Kane 2? I expected more from Powell last year but he only missed 2 games after Christmas. That’s pretty good availability, especially when compared with the rest of our squad. A lot of that time in the second half of the season, he covered the defensive midfield role which is a totally new role to him and I thought he did pretty well there, especially defensively for someone out of position - covering for our other injured players Croasdale and Camps (who missed far more football than him last year). He’s clearly our highest earner and as such we fairly expect more from him but I think he’s judged harshly because of his price tag and perceived attitude/ex Utd player etc. I’d like to see him stay and if so would think be a very important player for this year. I think he had his best games for us in the deeper midfield position. It’s fair to say he’s judged harshly because of his price tag because he is - he’s our most expensive player and he is far from being our biggest contributor. His attitude perceived or otherwise js also something I think it’s fair to say people judge him for. I seriously doubt anybody is judging him because he played a handful of games for Man United. Not one of the people I’ve seen criticising him in the last few pages could give two shits who he played for before. I certainly couldn’t. Do you think people will be harshly criticising Fiorini because he’s come from City? Or Mellon because he’s on loan from Burnley? It’s nonsense. Fiorini and Mellon are very different, they’re youth players for those clubs and Fiorini didn’t and Mellon most likely won’t play a first team game for either. Powell signed for very a significant sum as an 18 year old and was a bit of a news story at the time. I think it plays into people’s sub-conscience when judging him. Not because he’s an ex United player but because it supports this idea that he’s some kind of big time Charlie, when in reality everything I’ve seen from his personality supports the opposite. Lots of people had made their minds up on Powell by the end of September last year and refuse to judge him on his merits since, that’s not to say I expect more from him - which I do.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 24, 2024 13:55:23 GMT
I think he had his best games for us in the deeper midfield position. It’s fair to say he’s judged harshly because of his price tag because he is - he’s our most expensive player and he is far from being our biggest contributor. His attitude perceived or otherwise js also something I think it’s fair to say people judge him for. I seriously doubt anybody is judging him because he played a handful of games for Man United. Not one of the people I’ve seen criticising him in the last few pages could give two shits who he played for before. I certainly couldn’t. Do you think people will be harshly criticising Fiorini because he’s come from City? Or Mellon because he’s on loan from Burnley? It’s nonsense. Fiorini and Mellon are very different, they’re youth players for those clubs and Fiorini didn’t and Mellon most likely won’t play a first team game for either. Powell signed for very a significant sum as an 18 year old and was a bit of a news story at the time. I think it plays into people’s sub-conscience when judging him. Not because he’s an ex United player but because it supports this idea that he’s some kind of big time Charlie, when in reality everything I’ve seen from his personality supports the opposite. Lots of people had made their minds up on Powell by the end of September last year and refuse to judge him on his merits since, that’s not to say I expect more from him - which I do. I don’t even consider his United career, it was a handful of games. I judge him on what’s he’s done for County in the context of him being the top earner. He’s been ok, that’s it. Hopefully lots more to come.
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Post by samscfc on Jul 24, 2024 14:08:47 GMT
If everybody is fit (except MSH) first choice team: Addai Mingi Horsfall Pye Knoyle/New RWB Bate Collar Adaramola Fevrier Tanto Barry/another loanee Subs: Hinchliffe, Connolly, Hughes, Fiorini, Diamond, Wootton, Mellon Others: Metcalfe, Touray, Rydel, Camps, Powell, Johnson, Bailey, Stretton knoyle is good enough for me and diamond starts unless barry is here although im not 100% convinced hes best as a winger, more of a striker with someone else to play with like last season. But rest of the team i agree with but we would need atleast one of touray or rydel on the bench otherwise connoly would have to play LB which Blackpool fans said he was a disaster there Where has this come from that Diamond is a striker? He played on the left for Harrogate, his Wiki says he's a winger and so does his goalscoring record.
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 24, 2024 14:14:14 GMT
Left wing is where he naturally plays and where i want him to play wheather 343,433 or 4231
He played as an ST for Carlisle last season after a long time out.
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 24, 2024 15:07:15 GMT
Rossiter on trial at chesterfield apparently tonight
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Post by jkb9b on Jul 24, 2024 15:30:23 GMT
Honestly that interview he did after the celebrations at the end of the season wound me up. I saw a lot of people praising his ambition and drive and the whole “the job isn’t done yet” vibe but it came across arrogant in an unearned way to me. The likes of Paddy and Sarce hadn’t “finished the job” when we went up from the National League but did that stop them celebrating with the rest of us? Of course not. He’s always had a reputation as being someone who doesn’t really like football much and while he denies it I’ve seen nothing to suggest it’s unfounded. It’s not a big deal, and if he does stay with us I’ll continue to support him while he’s playing, but it was the latest in a not insignificant list of things about him that have rubbed me up the wrong way since he’s been with us - and while we saw some decent performances from him here and there no amount of Hollywood passes makes up for what I think we’re lacking with him on the pitch. I think reactions to the interview depend on how you view him overall. I thought it was disappointing, I didn't expect him to be doing cartwheels or anything but it felt dismissive of the team's achievement in winning the league. I was around when we signed Alex Young and the comparison timberwolf makes between the two sounds very valid to me; massive fanfare on arrival but failed completely to live up to it and eventually just faded away. Maybe I'll be proved wrong about the last bit, time will tell, but despite his obvious talent, Powell's not a player I can get very enthusiastic about.
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Post by dk250 on Jul 24, 2024 16:10:32 GMT
Hope the Powell stuff is either incorrect or gets resolved quickly. Otherwise we’re stuck with an incredibly expensive player for another 2 years. Doubt anyone else will pay him what we do. Really disappointing signing but unless he walks away can’t see us getting anyone to off load him to so be stuck with him for 2 more years 🤦♂️. Can’t see him fitting in our system or having the desired work rate to hold down a regular place based on just performances last year . His absence pre season says it all really that something has gone on
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 16:48:09 GMT
I think he had his best games for us in the deeper midfield position. It’s fair to say he’s judged harshly because of his price tag because he is - he’s our most expensive player and he is far from being our biggest contributor. His attitude perceived or otherwise js also something I think it’s fair to say people judge him for. I seriously doubt anybody is judging him because he played a handful of games for Man United. Not one of the people I’ve seen criticising him in the last few pages could give two shits who he played for before. I certainly couldn’t. Do you think people will be harshly criticising Fiorini because he’s come from City? Or Mellon because he’s on loan from Burnley? It’s nonsense. Fiorini and Mellon are very different, they’re youth players for those clubs and Fiorini didn’t and Mellon most likely won’t play a first team game for either. Powell signed for very a significant sum as an 18 year old and was a bit of a news story at the time. I think it plays into people’s sub-conscience when judging him. Not because he’s an ex United player but because it supports this idea that he’s some kind of big time Charlie, when in reality everything I’ve seen from his personality supports the opposite. Lots of people had made their minds up on Powell by the end of September last year and refuse to judge him on his merits since, that’s not to say I expect more from him - which I do. “Powell signed for very a significant sum as an 18 year old and was a bit of a news story at the time” And I’d never heard of him until he signed for us (or rather when the rumours started going round) so it means nothing to me. As for “people had written him off by the end of September” I’ve already said I think his best games came later in the season when he played deeper. I really want him to prove me wrong, like Evans was doing at the back end of the season, but on current showing I won’t be bothered if he is moved on. I think we’re better with any number of other players and your top earning big name needs to be in your best 11.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 24, 2024 16:49:29 GMT
Honestly that interview he did after the celebrations at the end of the season wound me up. I saw a lot of people praising his ambition and drive and the whole “the job isn’t done yet” vibe but it came across arrogant in an unearned way to me. The likes of Paddy and Sarce hadn’t “finished the job” when we went up from the National League but did that stop them celebrating with the rest of us? Of course not. He’s always had a reputation as being someone who doesn’t really like football much and while he denies it I’ve seen nothing to suggest it’s unfounded. It’s not a big deal, and if he does stay with us I’ll continue to support him while he’s playing, but it was the latest in a not insignificant list of things about him that have rubbed me up the wrong way since he’s been with us - and while we saw some decent performances from him here and there no amount of Hollywood passes makes up for what I think we’re lacking with him on the pitch. I think reactions to the interview depend on how you view him overall. I thought it was disappointing, I didn't expect him to be doing cartwheels or anything but it felt dismissive of the team's achievement in winning the league. I was around when we signed Alex Young and the comparison timberwolf makes between the two sounds very valid to me; massive fanfare on arrival but failed completely to live up to it and eventually just faded away. Maybe I'll be proved wrong about the last bit, time will tell, but despite his obvious talent, Powell's not a player I can get very enthusiastic about. Yes it did feel very dismissive. It came across as “League 2? Completed it mate.”
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