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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:16:43 GMT
Chally deserves the season given what he did for us last season with the mess that Simon and Steve left us in. Wilson’s should go, he should have gone a long time ago for a number of monumental **** ups including this summer’s recruitment. However Chally will be sacked and Wilson will be the one choosing a new manager. Modern footballs great if you’re mates with the owner. Like it or not, Wilson is a big reason we got back into the league because he persuaded Stott we were worth investing in, that’s not to say he’s amazing, it’s a fact and you can’t have your cake and eat it. From what I’ve heard DC isn’t facing the chop, obviously things can change. I’m not a fan of changing the manager, after 50 years of following County more often than not, it doesn’t work. When DC was being appointed I posted, what’s going to happen on this board when he has a rough patch, this is exactly it, as I predicted, but much sooner than expected. So you predicted that a handful would say he should go but the majority thinks he deserves more time did you? Because that’s what I’m reading here.
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Post by BWScarf on Sept 21, 2022 10:25:09 GMT
Sacking Dave Challinor now would be insane.
It’d be added to the list of: sacking Gannon, hiring Rusk; as disastrous managerial decisions made by the current regime. Which is why it wouldn’t surprise me if they do it.
DC isn’t the problem here. I think it’s fair to say he’s failing on his own terms this season; fair enough. But the bloke gave us the best six months of football I can remember in years not so long ago after inheriting the dog’s dinner left behind by his predecessor and his current boss.
Stott can keep going through managers at a rate of one every six-nine months if he wants, but he won’t achieve what he aspires to, and will cost himself a fortune, if he doesn’t look at the way his club is run.
The operational side of things, the infrastructure, all that is grand. The football side is an expensive, bloated mess. Who’s in charge of that?
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Post by countyblueforever on Sept 21, 2022 10:25:16 GMT
Let’s keep our heads on folks. County are notoriously slow starters. Remember season 1996/97 we won promotion to the championship tier. We had only two points after six games and were at the bottom.
All this talk of replacing our manager is unsettling. Changing now would be catastrophic and could result in relegation. We all know why we are in this mess. Lack of goals. The management tried to bring in their targets and failed on Transfer Deadline day, so we will struggle until January when we can strengthen. The play offs will still be achievable then and I believe we have an easier run in. Where our management failed was not strengthening our attacking force in the pre-season. We will have to learn how to utilise this 22 registered players in the future to the advantage of the team.
I say stick by Challinor, there isn’t a lot better out there and it will eventually come good. We as supporters should show our support, not anger and give the club your true support during this difficult period. It is going to get worse before it gets better as the next three tough games at Northampton Walsall and at Bradford might not yield a point.
Please stick by the management and players, they will do it.
Keep singing the Scarf my father wore and we will come out of this bad patch.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 21, 2022 10:28:41 GMT
Chally deserves the season given what he did for us last season with the mess that Simon and Steve left us in. Wilson’s should go, he should have gone a long time ago for a number of monumental **** ups including this summer’s recruitment. However Chally will be sacked and Wilson will be the one choosing a new manager. Modern footballs great if you’re mates with the owner. Like it or not, Wilson is a big reason we got back into the league because he persuaded Stott we were worth investing in, that’s not to say he’s amazing, it’s a fact and you can’t have your cake and eat it. Doesn't mean he's unsackable
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 10:40:54 GMT
If we were to end up in the drop zone then I’d start to get twitchy. But equally our next five games are tough and I don’t want him getting the boot based on those - like when Jim got sacked because we lost to the champions elect in Mansfield and missed a penalty.
He should at least have until Christmas. But if we’re fully in a relegation dogfight by the approach to January then I see the argument for giving the transfer window to a new manager. It’s not what I want, and I don’t think it will come to that, but performances are a worry.
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Post by Lee on Sept 21, 2022 10:42:16 GMT
Can we not change the subject of this thread. Is he eck trying to get sacked
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Post by ricky on Sept 21, 2022 10:57:08 GMT
Like it or not, Wilson is a big reason we got back into the league because he persuaded Stott we were worth investing in, that’s not to say he’s amazing, it’s a fact and you can’t have your cake and eat it. From what I’ve heard DC isn’t facing the chop, obviously things can change. I’m not a fan of changing the manager, after 50 years of following County more often than not, it doesn’t work. When DC was being appointed I posted, what’s going to happen on this board when he has a rough patch, this is exactly it, as I predicted, but much sooner than expected. So you predicted that a handful would say he should go but the majority thinks he deserves more time did you? Because that’s what I’m reading here. I’m not claiming any credit for an obvious prediction, but this is how it starts, a few dissenting voices, then more join in, another defeat, more join in. It’s early days but the seeds have been sown, most people don’t want DC sacked of course, but that can change quickly, very few if any fanbases are great at sticking together and supporting the manager when things get rough (I guess that’s what Jim was alluding to in his recent Twitter post) There comes a time when there’s no other choice, like with Rusk, but fan pressure can exert great mental strain on a manager and it doesn’t tend to help matters.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 11:00:15 GMT
So you predicted that a handful would say he should go but the majority thinks he deserves more time did you? Because that’s what I’m reading here. I’m not claiming any credit for an obvious prediction, but this is how it starts, a few dissenting voices, then more join in, another defeat, more join in. It’s early days but the seeds have been sown, most people don’t want DC sacked of course, but that can change quickly, very few if any fanbases are great at sticking together and supporting the manager when things get rough (I guess that’s what Jim was alluding to in his recent Twitter post) There comes a time when there’s no other choice, like with Rusk, but fan pressure can exert great mental strain on a manager and it doesn’t tend to help matters. That’s not some brilliant prediction you’re making. That’s just the nature of what happens in a results business. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s not County fans that have heaped pressure on the club to perform better than they are doing this season. That’s fine from the club itself and Challinor has said as much in interviews. Your “I predicted this would happen if we had a rough patch” implied everyone has turned on him like happened (quite quickly) with Rusk. That hasn’t happened.
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Post by David Schofield on Sept 21, 2022 11:12:35 GMT
I’m not claiming any credit for an obvious prediction, but this is how it starts, a few dissenting voices, then more join in, another defeat, more join in. It’s early days but the seeds have been sown, most people don’t want DC sacked of course, but that can change quickly, very few if any fanbases are great at sticking together and supporting the manager when things get rough (I guess that’s what Jim was alluding to in his recent Twitter post) There comes a time when there’s no other choice, like with Rusk, but fan pressure can exert great mental strain on a manager and it doesn’t tend to help matters. That’s not some brilliant prediction you’re making. That’s just the nature of what happens in a results business. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s not County fans that have heaped pressure on the club to perform better than they are doing this season. That’s fine from the club itself and Challinor has said as much in interviews. Your “I predicted this would happen if we had a rough patch” implied everyone has turned on him like happened (quite quickly) with Rusk. That hasn’t happened. Rusk had no chance, he was massively out of his depth and simply had to go Don’t think anyone actually wants Challinor to go nor doubts that he could turn it around at some point; it’s just hampered by off field incompetence (Wilson) and unlikely to happen in time to satisfy anyone HOWEVER… There is a real change of tone in the Stadium Expansion package with “We know promotion to the Championship will take some time…” If there has been a rethink in terms of our immediate ambition, then give DC the time
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Post by ricky on Sept 21, 2022 11:13:34 GMT
I’m not claiming any credit for an obvious prediction, but this is how it starts, a few dissenting voices, then more join in, another defeat, more join in. It’s early days but the seeds have been sown, most people don’t want DC sacked of course, but that can change quickly, very few if any fanbases are great at sticking together and supporting the manager when things get rough (I guess that’s what Jim was alluding to in his recent Twitter post) There comes a time when there’s no other choice, like with Rusk, but fan pressure can exert great mental strain on a manager and it doesn’t tend to help matters. That’s not some brilliant prediction you’re making. That’s just the nature of what happens in a results business. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s not County fans that have heaped pressure on the club to perform better than they are doing this season. That’s fine from the club itself and Challinor has said as much in interviews. Your “I predicted this would happen if we had a rough patch” implied everyone has turned on him like happened (quite quickly) with Rusk. That hasn’t happened. In my first sentence I say that it’s not some amazing prediction so not sure what you are getting at with your first sentence. Agree generally with what you say, I’m just saying this is how things start, just a few dissenters, and it’s not something I particularly like but I guess all managers know the sack is never too far away.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 11:37:58 GMT
That’s not some brilliant prediction you’re making. That’s just the nature of what happens in a results business. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s not County fans that have heaped pressure on the club to perform better than they are doing this season. That’s fine from the club itself and Challinor has said as much in interviews. Your “I predicted this would happen if we had a rough patch” implied everyone has turned on him like happened (quite quickly) with Rusk. That hasn’t happened. In my first sentence I say that it’s not some amazing prediction so not sure what you are getting at with your first sentence. Agree generally with what you say, I’m just saying this is how things start, just a few dissenters, and it’s not something I particularly like but I guess all managers know the sack is never too far away. What you said was “When DC was being appointed I posted, what’s going to happen on this board when he has a rough patch, this is exactly it, as I predicted, but much sooner than expected.” So were you predicting that a few people would start gunning for him while the majority said he needed more time? Or did you think everyone would turn on him like happened with Rusk and are now back peddling because that isn’t what’s happened. You keep saying how you’re not a fan of changing the manager - that puts you in line with the majority of people on this board, you’re not an outlier you’re the norm.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 21, 2022 11:45:40 GMT
Wonder if the ones wanting him out are the same ones that never wanted him in the first place because he was poor as a player with us and that grimsby tackle. Just keeping quiet till they knew their time would come.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 21, 2022 11:51:22 GMT
Wonder if the ones wanting him out are the same ones that never wanted him in the first place because he was poor as a player with us and that grimsby tackle. Just keeping quiet till they knew their time would come. Nah. I wasn’t keen on him when his name was first floated because of his time as a player and our run ins when he was at Fylde. But he’s won me over 100% and I’d like to see him get the time to turn this season around.
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Post by Imposter on Sept 21, 2022 12:08:43 GMT
Outside of the Premier League/Championship higher echelons there isn’t a Football Manager in the land who wouldn’t want a Club with money and an infrastructure to match the ambition of a highly motivated wealthy owner… Finding a replacement for Challinor is a piece of piss Who the hell do you think we are. We have gone feom the excitement of getting back to where we think we rightfully belong. Not happy with just playing at this new level there seems to be many still hanging on the stotts words of championship in 5 years. Possibly the same ones who laugh at the 2022 fylde crap. If we actually finished this season in the position we now are i would not mind even with DC in charge. Its not the league position but the football thats on offer is my concern. Its dull and crap in a different way that ruskball was the same. As for replacing DC, well like it or not the worlds best known football team have not done that well in replacing alex ferguson yet. Funny how well we did after sacking the unimpressive simpson and oldham and scunny did after changing theres last season. We're not yet back to where we think we rightfully belong. Another division/division and a half to go for me. Upper-mid-table in League 1.
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Post by wnm on Sept 21, 2022 14:51:35 GMT
Think Chally should have at least until beginning of December to show what he can do. If we do go down the route of a new manager, I share others’ fears about what Wilson will come up with. Pete Wild at Barrow would be worth a punt perhaps? He's just signed a new multi-year contract: www.barrowafc.com/news/2022/september/130922-pete-wild--adam-temple-sign-multi-year-deal/I know Challinor had too, but I can't imagine Stott wants to be buying managers out of contracts. If he was our choice we’d pay the money - I’m sure there will be a release clause in that. If I was Pete Wild though I wouldn’t touch us and Wilson with a barge pole.
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