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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Feb 14, 2023 2:02:16 GMT
Whoa jkb9b I don’t know how old you are but your comments are ageism, I used to love standing at the RE and Popside when they were terracing but as I got steadily older I found it harder to stand for 90 mins+ so when they developed the Cheadle End I was sat there for 25+ years until standing in the seats got steadily worse. Unless you know the secret of eternal life your body will slowly deteriorate until you can’t stand for long anymore. You've completely misread the (sarcastic) point JKB is making there. |
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Post by jkb9b on Feb 14, 2023 6:31:37 GMT
Whoa jkb9b I don’t know how old you are but your comments are ageism, I used to love standing at the RE and Popside when they were terracing but as I got steadily older I found it harder to stand for 90 mins+ so when they developed the Cheadle End I was sat there for 25+ years until standing in the seats got steadily worse. Unless you know the secret of eternal life your body will slowly deteriorate until you can’t stand for long anymore. Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. |
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Post by vicar on Feb 14, 2023 7:33:29 GMT
Whoa jkb9b I don’t know how old you are but your comments are ageism, I used to love standing at the RE and Popside when they were terracing but as I got steadily older I found it harder to stand for 90 mins+ so when they developed the Cheadle End I was sat there for 25+ years until standing in the seats got steadily worse. Unless you know the secret of eternal life your body will slowly deteriorate until you can’t stand for long anymore. Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. You're right and I'm fortunate that I can stand for 90 minutes, I was trying to make the point that those stood at the front didn't have a lot of choice, I know the bloke who was telling the steward to do his job but there was nowhere the steward could tell people to go, I was on the steps right next to the seated area and I couldn't get onto the terrace. |
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Post by kayem1 on Feb 14, 2023 7:52:26 GMT
Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. You're right and I'm fortunate that I can stand for 90 minutes, I was trying to make the point that those stood at the front didn't have a lot of choice, I know the bloke who was telling the steward to do his job but there was nowhere the steward could tell people to go, I was on the steps right next to the seated area and I couldn't get onto the terrace. I too started coming to EP in 1966. Standing at that age was never a problem. But trying to watch a game these days is like a full body workout, particularly in an exciting game with a lot of goal mouth action. Especially when the action is at the end where you're sitting. I love County banging in the goals or all out attacking, but my knees don't. I don't get to many games these days my wife and I live abroad. When we come back to the UK it's usually during the season so able to get a game or two in. We were over for the Orient game and sat in the Moan stand, I must admit it was easier on the knees there than in the CE which would be my first choice. Although I found climbing the very steep steps to my seat very precarious. There are a lot of older folk in that stand and they really do struggle, I can see someone going from top to bottom one day. |
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Post by jkb9b on Feb 14, 2023 7:58:28 GMT
Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. You're right and I'm fortunate that I can stand for 90 minutes, I was trying to make the point that those stood at the front didn't have a lot of choice, I know the bloke who was telling the steward to do his job but there was nowhere the steward could tell people to go, I was on the steps right next to the seated area and I couldn't get onto the terrace. I suspect the overcrowding was down to Harrogate selling 600+ tickets on the basis that the area behind the goal would be available then, when it was too late, deciding it wasn't. |
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Post by since67 on Feb 14, 2023 9:11:56 GMT
Reading the posts again I’ve realised my comments were a bit of a knee jerk reaction for which I apologise.
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 14, 2023 11:15:44 GMT
Couldn’t agree more about fans standing and blocking peoples view, they have a view of thinking as F*ck you Jack I’m alright. This is an ongoing issue that has since we got back from covid restrictions become worse. Once it was really frowned on even at EP by standing on the back row even in the CE. Now it seems a free for all. All Seater means that apart from incidents like the ball bouncing tound in the opposition box where its human nature to stand up. Know its not the cinema or theatre, but those who insist on standing for no other reason than wanting to stand and blocking others views need challenging or even banning. It aint just a County thing as watching the highlights show when the away fans are in view all clubs seem to be doing it. |
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Post by atmosphere on Feb 14, 2023 11:19:22 GMT
Lets hope they do start bringing in more safe standing across the board. I hate sitting at a Football Match. Most grounds are built for people who are about 5 foot 6 too it seems.
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 14, 2023 11:47:58 GMT
Lets hope they do start bringing in more safe standing across the board. I hate sitting at a Football Match. Most grounds are built for people who are about 5 foot 6 too it seems. Well many grounds with shallow steps in the old days seemed that way and kids used to be allowed in the front. Think some form of standing should be allowed in all grounds at the back officially. Until that day happens though all seater means that and nothing else. This standing now with a possible empty seat infront of you is more dangerous than the old form of standing was as you could easily fall over this seat if leaning forwards with injury occuring to yourself never mind others in a pack of cards effect. |
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Post by Waldorf on Feb 14, 2023 12:01:40 GMT
Whoa jkb9b I don’t know how old you are but your comments are ageism, I used to love standing at the RE and Popside when they were terracing but as I got steadily older I found it harder to stand for 90 mins+ so when they developed the Cheadle End I was sat there for 25+ years until standing in the seats got steadily worse. Unless you know the secret of eternal life your body will slowly deteriorate until you can’t stand for long anymore. Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. Completely agree, and you've also got to consider the other end of the age spectrum. Certain games my 6 year old just can't see anything. I've avoided taking him to some games in the knowledge it's likely people will stand. Like people have said - every man for himself society at County at the moment. |
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Post by suedehead on Feb 14, 2023 13:08:39 GMT
Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. Completely agree, and you've also got to consider the other end of the age spectrum. Certain games my 6 year old just can't see anything. I've avoided taking him to some games in the knowledge it's likely people will stand. Like people have said - every man for himself society at County at the moment. I'm considering taking my little lad to the game on Saturday. He's only 2, although will only be a couple of days off 3 at the weekend. I think I could just about get away with him in LT1 as we're right up against the end of the stand so he can stand on a chair. Wouldn't dream of taking him to an away game though, I'd have to hold him all game. |
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Post by Ngard on Feb 14, 2023 14:16:49 GMT
Sorry since67 , as @fallowfield Hatter has pointed out, you've been misled by my use of sarcasm to get my point across. I started going in 1966 so we might be similar ages. I was hit by a car when I was nine years old, resulting in my right ankle being knackered now I'm older. I can stand for a while but not, to pluck a number at random, forty five minutes at a stretch. To use Vicar's example of Charlton, luckily there was plenty of room at one end of the stand so I was able to move from my allocated seat and find somewhere where I could both sit and see. Other examples of coping mechanisms at all-seater grounds with everyone stood up: Bolton: it was rammed so I couldn't move elsewhere, so I sat when there wasn't much going on and leaned on my stick when necessary. Crewe: I had my shooting stick with me so was able to either sit or lean on that to take the wight off a bit. Walsall: I moved right down to the very front, a crap view but at least I could see what was going on and sit down. And so and so on, ad nauseum. I realise I'm just shouting into the void here, nothing is going to change, but "the people in the seats should just stand up" isn't the easy solution it might appear. Completely agree, and you've also got to consider the other end of the age spectrum. Certain games my 6 year old just can't see anything. I've avoided taking him to some games in the knowledge it's likely people will stand. Like people have said - every man for himself society at County at the moment. Especially frustrating as mention of family stands is ignored as well, like at Bradford. Happened to a family sat near the front row to avoid people standing up. Soon as the second half arrived with people moving around, a group of 5 people decided to stand up on the front row right in front of the kid and then refuse to sit down. Just deeply weird behaviour - why do you want to stand up on the very front row, ignore someone politely asking them to move so their child can see, and more to the point stand up and not even bother singing or making any noise. |
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 15, 2023 10:10:32 GMT
Completely agree, and you've also got to consider the other end of the age spectrum. Certain games my 6 year old just can't see anything. I've avoided taking him to some games in the knowledge it's likely people will stand. Like people have said - every man for himself society at County at the moment. I'm considering taking my little lad to the game on Saturday. He's only 2, although will only be a couple of days off 3 at the weekend. I think I could just about get away with him in LT1 as we're right up against the end of the stand so he can stand on a chair. Wouldn't dream of taking him to an away game though, I'd have to hold him all game. Best place still for really young kids is the seats in the old paddock in the moan. My lad was 4 when he first went but looked around the ground half the time but could see the play the times he did. Its a really bad situation when fans are wary taking kids to away games because of the actions of their own fans. Once you left em home because it could kick off with the opposition and not your own lot. |
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Post by stockytwo on Feb 15, 2023 10:48:02 GMT
Completely agree, and you've also got to consider the other end of the age spectrum. Certain games my 6 year old just can't see anything. I've avoided taking him to some games in the knowledge it's likely people will stand. Like people have said - every man for himself society at County at the moment. I'm considering taking my little lad to the game on Saturday. He's only 2, although will only be a couple of days off 3 at the weekend. I think I could just about get away with him in LT1 as we're right up against the end of the stand so he can stand on a chair. Wouldn't dream of taking him to an away game though, I'd have to hold him all game. What's the craic with LT1, do people stand where their seats are allocated or is it just a general free for all ? |
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Post by suedehead on Feb 15, 2023 12:33:26 GMT
I'm considering taking my little lad to the game on Saturday. He's only 2, although will only be a couple of days off 3 at the weekend. I think I could just about get away with him in LT1 as we're right up against the end of the stand so he can stand on a chair. Wouldn't dream of taking him to an away game though, I'd have to hold him all game. What's the craic with LT1, do people stand where their seats are allocated or is it just a general free for all ? Bit of both. The group I'm with have the same spot every week which is our dedicated spot but it's easier to do that as we are seats 1 and 2 over a few rows. Further along it's a bit more fluid but generally the same faces every week, but usually in slightly different positions. Never had to ask anyone to move and even if someone was in my spot, I'd probably just stand next to them as we stand all game anyway so not a huge issue. |
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