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Post by The Real Exile on Apr 18, 2024 8:44:04 GMT
Perhaps we need to capitalise the L š
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Post by mat1scfc on Apr 18, 2024 9:13:54 GMT
Some random thoughts after rewatching various bits: - Looks like an early, big, opportunity for both sides. Powell is caught but gets his "shot" away cleanly before that and completely fluffs it. As does Langstaff with a even better chance at the other end. - Horsfall's header deserved a goal. Almost top corner from the penalty spot and keeper no chance. - Lovely weighted pass for Madden's first from Wootton. Shame we didn't get to see his earlier press that was called a foul. Looked very soft and would have put himself in 1v1. - Definitely a pen for me first up. Second is harder to see but for me it's CLE who gets a toe on the ball, not the defender. - Not how Wootton didn't get a touch on CLE's cross, or how either of them didn't get a goal. - I can see why Notts' fans rip into Baldwin. Arguably the first goal and slip was unlucky, but it's almost a joke how easily Sarcevic takes him out the game with a simple turn for the 4th. Some pass and finish too. - Only the players will know who's fault it was for Notts' first but my instinct is it's the fullbacks, who both drop when Horsfall was previously holding the line and then moved up when Pye pressed. - Great to see Barry anywhere near close to his best again. Not the pace or lethal finishing yet but the trickery was there and him vs Nemane was a horrible mismatch. Could easily have had a hattrick of assists. And what a way to cap off the title, the YPOTS and arguably POTS with his first County goal.Ā on your point about Wootton. I didn't realise in at the game but he had 3 times where the ball was played across the face of goal (he should score at least 2 imo) but I didn't realise he tried to flick 2 of the efforts instead of just shooting. The other one he slid and the ball went behind him. He has to work on that part of his game. But other than that he had a good game
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Post by sherbertdab on Apr 18, 2024 9:18:46 GMT
Quoteā¦. Reading some of the postmatch comments on interviews etc. and there's a lot of Notts will be right up there next season if they can sort out their defence or cut out the errors.ā
Not wanting to do down Countyās supreme performance but I canāt remember a more abject defensive performance by a team who do have some ability. If that was an ordinary league game with less pressure we could have scored 10. Everything is wrong wih the way that NC defend and I expect a few students will be considering a dissertation on something like ā¦āNotts County..future way or road to Bradford PA
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 18, 2024 9:27:46 GMT
Quoteā¦. Reading some of the postmatch comments on interviews etc. and there's a lot of Notts will be right up there next season if they can sort out their defence or cut out the errors.ā Not wanting to do down Countyās supreme performance but I canāt remember a more abject defensive performance by a team who do have some ability. If that was an ordinary league game with less pressure we could have scored 10. Everything is wrong wih the way that NC defend and I expect a few students will be considering a dissertation on something like ā¦āNotts County..future way or road to Bradford PA Good football is the ability to defend as much as the ability to attack is. Really what was notts point in bringing loanees in who are attackers when you have the divisions worst defence. JK said they were planning for next season. Possibly they,ll do the opposite and go ultra defensive as a knee jerk reaction to this one. Do not know what their messageboard is like with comments but can guess what ours would be like in their circumstances.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 18, 2024 9:30:51 GMT
Reading some of the postmatch comments on interviews etc. and there's a lot of Notts will be right up there next season if they can sort out their defence or cut out the errors. That's true - as was shown by early this season, though they still rode their luck. They also definitely need a better calibre of defender. But, I think people forget that the defence and attack aren't two separate units independent from each other. So much of our defending comes from the front and the workrate and press of the likes of Madden, Wootton, Tanto and Sarcevic. Similarly, whilst Crowley, Jones and Langstaff are class, part of the reason why Notts have scored so many is their shape is all about the attack. I can't say I have watched them loads but Tuesday night it was basically 3-3-4 if not 3-2-5 with the wingbacks (who really are wingers) so high. Jones gets more time and space that way but equally he leaves a big gap behind. Their style is also pass at all costs. Their CBs have been recruited for that. When it works it looks great and they were better than us at building attacks from deep vs a set defence. We struggled with that in the first 20 without Tanto's threat in behind. But again that comes at a cost and error then came, plus their CBs simply aren't as good defenders. Where am I going? Even if Notts recruit much better defenders, I can't see them suddenly halving the goals they concede and scoring the same, which is basically what they need. They need to play 4-3-3 imo or at least only play Nemane and Jones as wingbacks vs the lesser sides that will sit in all day. Regardless, I think they'll have an issue that, at this level, you won't find a defender that can do it all. There needs to be a bit of pragmatism and playing the percentages. Mixing it up and going long to pose a different threat, can also enhance your attack! They're great entertainment - both for goals and style (I think they played us off the park for periods at EP). So I'll watch on with interest, especially to see if anyone comes in for their stars in the summer. Agree with that apart from the playing us off the park for periods at EP thing. We let them have the ball and they did very little with it. We were disciplined and sat in their shape and they very rarely threatened. Thatās not playing us off the park for me, we defended expertly that day.
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Post by Imposter on Apr 18, 2024 9:31:04 GMT
Bloke behind me the other night kept saying Hinchcliffe. Itās astounding. Eight years, three league titles, only six players have ever played more games for us and people still donāt know his name. After eight games in 2016 itās an honest mistake. After eight years itās just ignorant. Whenever the 'Hinchliffe, in the middle of our goal' song is sang, it sounds to my ears, like the vast majority are singing 'cliffe'. To be fair Hinchliffe and Hinchcliffe sound very similar. Starting with the first syllable "Hinch" and following immediately with the second syllable "liffe" does sound like an extra "c" is in there- especially if sung fast. It's almost a conscious effort rather than sing "Hinchliffe" to sing, "Hinch -LIFFE!" albeit one I make every time.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 18, 2024 9:34:40 GMT
I have friends with the same surname and it is astounding the number of people that never get it right. Really annoys them too! I have got a surname that can be spelt 3 ways and i,m not happy as well when they get it wrong even though it helped me challenge a speeding fine succesfully once. Not as bad as my old man who binned any letter where his surname was spelled wrongly. I have a surname that can be spelt one way (well maybe 2 as taking the s off the end is technically a variation) and it gets misspelled all the sodding time. Thereās a theatre Iāve worked at since 2019. We had to get lanyards made up with our names on due to the nature of one of the shows thatās on atm - 5 years Iāve been there and my name was wrong when I was given it. Thatās why Iāve got a stage name.
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Post by Philcounty on Apr 18, 2024 9:41:53 GMT
Whenever the 'Hinchliffe, in the middle of our goal' song is sang, it sounds to my ears, like the vast majority are singing 'cliffe'. To be fair Hinchliffe and Hinchcliffe sound very similar. Starting with the first syllable "Hinch" and following immediately with the second syllable "liffe" does sound like an extra "c" is in there- especially if sung fast. It's almost a conscious effort rather than sing "Hinchliffe" to sing, "Hinch -LIFFE!" albeit one I make every time. I think because there's a pause between the two syllables, it should be fairly easy to emphasise the L sound. I make a point of doing it every time too. It's like the 'I wore the scarf...' line that seems to be sung by the majority. Should do better.
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Post by palmersears on Apr 18, 2024 9:46:07 GMT
I have got a surname that can be spelt 3 ways and i,m not happy as well when they get it wrong even though it helped me challenge a speeding fine succesfully once. Not as bad as my old man who binned any letter where his surname was spelled wrongly. I have a surname that can be spelt one way (well maybe 2 as taking the s off the end is technically a variation) and it gets misspelled all the sodding time. Thereās a theatre Iāve worked at since 2019. We had to get lanyards made up with our names on due to the nature of one of the shows thatās on atm - 5 years Iāve been there and my name was wrong when I was given it. Thatās why Iāve got a stage name. I've been at my current workplace for 6 years. The number of people who still get my (admittedly somewhat rare) surname wrong in emails is just staggering. That the autocorrect/predictive text for my surname is also a midly offensive adjective just compounds things... And don't get me started on calling me 'Stephen' instead of the correct 'Steven'. You've had to typed it correctly into your 'to' field in your email, how have you then forgotten it in the nanosecond between there and the start of your email itself?!
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Post by Nik on Apr 18, 2024 9:48:43 GMT
Bloke behind me the other night kept saying Hinchcliffe. Itās astounding. Eight years, three league titles, only six players have ever played more games for us and people still donāt know his name. After eight games in 2016 itās an honest mistake. After eight years itās just ignorant. Whenever the 'Hinchliffe, in the middle of our goal' song is sang, it sounds to my ears, like the vast majority are singing 'cliffe'. I thought the same on Tuesday.
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Post by palmersears on Apr 18, 2024 9:54:03 GMT
Quoteā¦. Reading some of the postmatch comments on interviews etc. and there's a lot of Notts will be right up there next season if they can sort out their defence or cut out the errors.ā Not wanting to do down Countyās supreme performance but I canāt remember a more abject defensive performance by a team who do have some ability. If that was an ordinary league game with less pressure we could have scored 10. Everything is wrong wih the way that NC defend and I expect a few students will be considering a dissertation on something like ā¦āNotts County..future way or road to Bradford PA Good football is the ability to defend as much as the ability to attack is. Really what was notts point in bringing loanees in who are attackers when you have the divisions worst defence. JK said they were planning for next season. Possibly they,ll do the opposite and go ultra defensive as a knee jerk reaction to this one. Do not know what their messageboard is like with comments but can guess what ours would be like in their circumstances. They don't need to rip it all up and start again - I suspect Jones and Langstaff will go and they'll clear out the defence - but they do need to find a better balance between attacking and defending. There's been a total of 173 goals in their games this season (just shy of 4 a game), which is simply not sustainable if you want to challenge for promotion. The old adage of "goals win games, defences win championships" and all that.
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Post by Imposter on Apr 18, 2024 10:00:30 GMT
To be fair Hinchliffe and Hinchcliffe sound very similar. Starting with the first syllable "Hinch" and following immediately with the second syllable "liffe" does sound like an extra "c" is in there- especially if sung fast. It's almost a conscious effort rather than sing "Hinchliffe" to sing, "Hinch -LIFFE!" albeit one I make every time. I think because there's a pause between the two syllables, it should be fairly easy to emphasise the L sound. I make a point of doing it every time too. It's like the 'I wore the scarf...' line that seems to be sung by the majority. Should do better. Possibly, but on a practical level when singing it at the tempo of the song it becomes harder to differentiate between those singing with the second "c" and those without. On more than one occasion I've been accused of singing "Hinchcliffe" when I was actually singing "Hinchliffe".
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 18, 2024 10:00:50 GMT
I have got a surname that can be spelt 3 ways and i,m not happy as well when they get it wrong even though it helped me challenge a speeding fine succesfully once. Not as bad as my old man who binned any letter where his surname was spelled wrongly. I have a surname that can be spelt one way (well maybe 2 as taking the s off the end is technically a variation) and it gets misspelled all the sodding time. Thereās a theatre Iāve worked at since 2019. We had to get lanyards made up with our names on due to the nature of one of the shows thatās on atm - 5 years Iāve been there and my name was wrong when I was given it. Thatās why Iāve got a stage name. Reminds me of the conversation I had with the very earnest ED&I trainer at a works conference, when I asked her if I should be reporting all the mispronunciations and misspellings of my surname as racist* microaggressions just like weād been told we should for the previous 30 minutes. It apparently all boils down to how bothered you are if people donāt take the time to learn how to say/spell your name properly. As something of a misanthrope myself, we very quickly drifted into āwhen a tree falls in a forest and no-oneās around, does it make a sound?ā territory! Without wishing to diminish the lived experience of anyone who does find it upsetting because I fully appreciate weāre all different, I can see why there are plenty who describe it as āwoke nonsenseā. *The most common mispronunciation I hear makes it sound like Iām Jewish when Iām not.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Apr 18, 2024 10:05:52 GMT
Reading some of the postmatch comments on interviews etc. and there's a lot of Notts will be right up there next season if they can sort out their defence or cut out the errors. That's true - as was shown by early this season, though they still rode their luck. They also definitely need a better calibre of defender. But, I think people forget that the defence and attack aren't two separate units independent from each other. So much of our defending comes from the front and the workrate and press of the likes of Madden, Wootton, Tanto and Sarcevic. Similarly, whilst Crowley, Jones and Langstaff are class, part of the reason why Notts have scored so many is their shape is all about the attack. I can't say I have watched them loads but Tuesday night it was basically 3-3-4 if not 3-2-5 with the wingbacks (who really are wingers) so high. Jones gets more time and space that way but equally he leaves a big gap behind. Their style is also pass at all costs. Their CBs have been recruited for that. When it works it looks great and they were better than us at building attacks from deep vs a set defence. We struggled with that in the first 20 without Tanto's threat in behind. But again that comes at a cost and error then came, plus their CBs simply aren't as good defenders. Where am I going? Even if Notts recruit much better defenders, I can't see them suddenly halving the goals they concede and scoring the same, which is basically what they need. They need to play 4-3-3 imo or at least only play Nemane and Jones as wingbacks vs the lesser sides that will sit in all day. Regardless, I think they'll have an issue that, at this level, you won't find a defender that can do it all. There needs to be a bit of pragmatism and playing the percentages. Mixing it up and going long to pose a different threat, can also enhance your attack! They're great entertainment - both for goals and style (I think they played us off the park for periods at EP). So I'll watch on with interest, especially to see if anyone comes in for their stars in the summer. Agree with that apart from the playing us off the park for periods at EP thing. We let them have the ball and they did very little with it. We were disciplined and sat in their shape and they very rarely threatened. Thatās not playing us off the park for me, we defended expertly that day. Definitely. The number of people sat around me in the Cheadle End that night shouting to just snap into (mainly) Bostock was amazing. To be fair a lad near me was telling his mates exactly what I thought - thatās exactly what they want you to do! We let them have it in front of us and until stoppage time they did naff all with it.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 18, 2024 10:15:55 GMT
I have a surname that can be spelt one way (well maybe 2 as taking the s off the end is technically a variation) and it gets misspelled all the sodding time. Thereās a theatre Iāve worked at since 2019. We had to get lanyards made up with our names on due to the nature of one of the shows thatās on atm - 5 years Iāve been there and my name was wrong when I was given it. Thatās why Iāve got a stage name. Reminds me of the conversation I had with the very earnest ED&I trainer at a works conference, when I asked her if I should be reporting all the mispronunciations and misspellings of my surname as racist* microaggressions just like weād been told we should for the previous 30 minutes. It apparently all boils down to how bothered you are if people donāt take the time to learn how to say/spell your name properly. As something of a misanthrope myself, we very quickly drifted into āwhen a tree falls in a forest and no-oneās around, does it make a sound?ā territory! Without wishing to diminish the lived experience of anyone who does find it upsetting because I fully appreciate weāre all different, I can see why there are plenty who describe it as āwoke nonsenseā. *The most common mispronunciation I hear makes it sound like Iām Jewish when Iām not. I donāt think itās racist is people mispronounce or misspell my Welsh (though about the most straightforward one after Jones) surname. I do think itās pig ignorant when colleagues and in particular line managers do. And can have real consequences. There are missing pieces of my medical record from a trip to hospital back in 2011 because my manager at the time gave them the wrong spelling of my name. According to Forebears there are 25,000 people with my exact surname. 710 people with the way my old boss decided to spell it. 115 with how the theatre I mentioned did.
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