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Post by David Schofield on Apr 18, 2024 9:50:32 GMT
Extra revenue is only generated by selling extra seats/advertising/pies etc and there is no guarantee of any of that The cost of servicing £40M in debt, never mind paying it down, is going to be (even with the best commercial credit rating in the world, something football clubs simply don’t have) £2M a year, that’s every year, forever And ultimately it won’t add any value to the Club, if we go tits up because we can’t service the debt whether you have 11,000 or 17,000 seats makes zero difference I am not saying do nothing but before we do anything let’s make sure we understand the financial implications and real life consequences fully I think you may be insulting Mark Stott’s intelligence if you think he’s just saying “let’s build it and f**k the cost”. I have no doubt the reason for things taking “so long” is that they’ve been doing the maths along with the short medium and long term implications. I’m not insulting anyone’s intelligence, I fully expect a rational plan being put in place but history is littered with intelligent, successful business people losing their f*cking minds when they get involved in Football! All I want is the financial implications fully laid out and understood before we all back a plan than will undoubtedly propel the prospects of the Club but at the same time place it in real jeopardy
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 18, 2024 9:54:45 GMT
I think you may be insulting Mark Stott’s intelligence if you think he’s just saying “let’s build it and f**k the cost”. I have no doubt the reason for things taking “so long” is that they’ve been doing the maths along with the short medium and long term implications. I’m not insulting anyone’s intelligence, I fully expect a rational plan being put in place but history is littered with intelligent, successful business people losing their f*cking minds when they get involved in Football! All I want is the financial implications fully laid out and understood before we all back a plan than will undoubtedly propel the prospects of the Club but at the same time place it in real jeopardy We don’t get any say whether it goes ahead or not though, other than objecting to the planning proposal once it goes in, which won’t make any difference, we’re entirely in the hands of Mr Stott there.
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Post by Chaddz09 on Apr 18, 2024 9:56:27 GMT
Think I read somewhere the a new roof could cost anywhere in the region to £1.5m. If that's the case using ballpark figures, based on current matchday prices and a full 1,400 sell out per game, it would take around 48 games (2+ seasons) just to break even on that investment. To then have planning permission and then erect (lol) such a stand, I assume, would take a few months on top and perhaps a similar amount of time to pull down. I would hope we will have made a start on the RE within that timeframe so it's not really a feasible option IMO Actually it would take longer as i,d guess even in its present state it would sell out next season if the weather was decent against certain opponents. Even if it was not televised it would sell out and most attend if we drew one of the manc clubs in a knock out game with the snow and rain falling. Oh yeah, it would clearly be much longer. I was using figures that would make it an 'at least' amount of games to break even, based on 48 consecutive sell outs - nigh on impossible.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 18, 2024 10:04:17 GMT
Meadow Lane is a little under 20k. There was what 11,500 in there on Tuesday night and it didn’t look awful like everyone was rattling around. If we end up with 15-18k across four separate stands then it’s not going to be awful if attendances dip to half that. It’s not like those new bowls which really feel like everyone is rattling around. Thats totally true and never thought about how design can affect the feeling of the place. Been to the keepmoat where there was a similar percentage of its maximum capacity and you do feel you are rattling about. Plus the age badly and are even more difficult to improve if needed than 4 serarate stands are.
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Apr 18, 2024 10:12:46 GMT
I think you may be insulting Mark Stott’s intelligence if you think he’s just saying “let’s build it and f**k the cost”. I have no doubt the reason for things taking “so long” is that they’ve been doing the maths along with the short medium and long term implications. I’m not insulting anyone’s intelligence, I fully expect a rational plan being put in place but history is littered with intelligent, successful business people losing their f*cking minds when they get involved in Football! All I want is the financial implications fully laid out and understood before we all back a plan than will undoubtedly propel the prospects of the Club but at the same time place it in real jeopardy I’m not sure all the financial details won’t be released publicly. I expect we’ll just have to trust what he’s done so far and trust sensible decision making will continue.
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Post by David Schofield on Apr 18, 2024 10:23:43 GMT
I’m not insulting anyone’s intelligence, I fully expect a rational plan being put in place but history is littered with intelligent, successful business people losing their f*cking minds when they get involved in Football! All I want is the financial implications fully laid out and understood before we all back a plan than will undoubtedly propel the prospects of the Club but at the same time place it in real jeopardy We don’t get any say whether it goes ahead or not though, other than objecting to the planning proposal once it goes in, which won’t make any difference, we’re entirely in the hands of Mr Stott there. That is simply not the case. Ask our previously ambitious owner about Manstock County… Custodians come and go, only we remain, if we back their plans then that is beautiful and we all move together, if we don’t we have to protect our club.
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Post by David Schofield on Apr 18, 2024 10:27:03 GMT
I’m not insulting anyone’s intelligence, I fully expect a rational plan being put in place but history is littered with intelligent, successful business people losing their f*cking minds when they get involved in Football! All I want is the financial implications fully laid out and understood before we all back a plan than will undoubtedly propel the prospects of the Club but at the same time place it in real jeopardy I’m not sure all the financial details won’t be released publicly. I expect we’ll just have to trust what he’s done so far and trust sensible decision making will continue. I am saying that is not good enough. The Co-op is set up specifically to guard against existential issues being discussed in the dark and I fully expect our owner to want our buy in, again I am not against improving the ground and increasing capacity I just want us all to know what we are getting into first
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 18, 2024 10:38:30 GMT
We don’t get any say whether it goes ahead or not though, other than objecting to the planning proposal once it goes in, which won’t make any difference, we’re entirely in the hands of Mr Stott there. That is simply not the case. Ask our previously ambitious owner about Manstock County… Custodians come and go, only we remain, if we back their plans then that is beautiful and we all move together, if we don’t we have to protect our club. Ok, we have no formal say, and although I also hope the details are shared with the co-op the directors box won’t be getting stormed with people demanding Stott Out if we only get a broad outline.
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Post by suedehead on Apr 18, 2024 18:52:04 GMT
That is simply not the case. Ask our previously ambitious owner about Manstock County… Custodians come and go, only we remain, if we back their plans then that is beautiful and we all move together, if we don’t we have to protect our club. Ok, we have no formal say, and although I also hope the details are shared with the co-op the directors box won’t be getting stormed with people demanding Stott Out if we only get a broad outline. Agree. Moving us to Moss Side and renaming us is quite different to developing our ground, something a lot of us have been hoping for, for quite a while. In the scheme of things, the number of fans who object/ask questions will be tiny compared to the number who are excited and the vast majority who just let things wash over them. We should always be vigilant, totally. But I don’t for a second think there’s going to be fans stopping this going ahead (outside of any planning objections).
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Post by Durango95 on Apr 18, 2024 19:21:59 GMT
Can’t wait me. It’s long overdue.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 19, 2024 8:14:18 GMT
That is simply not the case. Ask our previously ambitious owner about Manstock County… Custodians come and go, only we remain, if we back their plans then that is beautiful and we all move together, if we don’t we have to protect our club. Ok, we have no formal say, and although I also hope the details are shared with the co-op the directors box won’t be getting stormed with people demanding Stott Out if we only get a broad outline. Mark Stotts best achievment in the long run for the club and the town will be the refurb of EP to a high standard that will be around when most of us are not around and certainly longer than any expensive player will be. Agree with what our next opponents owner said about throwing more money at their ground than the playing budget of the groun itself being an asset to the town and his legacy to it.
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Post by hedleyverity on Apr 19, 2024 8:29:19 GMT
Ok, we have no formal say, and although I also hope the details are shared with the co-op the directors box won’t be getting stormed with people demanding Stott Out if we only get a broad outline. Mark Stotts best achievment in the long run for the club and the town will be the refurb of EP to a high standard that will be around when most of us are not around and certainly longer than any expensive player will be. Agree with what our next opponents owner said about throwing more money at their ground than the playing budget of the groun itself being an asset to the town and his legacy to it. Dave’s right that it’s also the biggest risk to the future of the club though ETA ‘potentially’
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Post by scfc29 on Apr 19, 2024 12:26:35 GMT
Mark Stotts best achievment in the long run for the club and the town will be the refurb of EP to a high standard that will be around when most of us are not around and certainly longer than any expensive player will be. Agree with what our next opponents owner said about throwing more money at their ground than the playing budget of the groun itself being an asset to the town and his legacy to it. Dave’s right that it’s also the biggest risk to the future of the club though ETA ‘potentially’ As with many businesses though its biggest asset could also its biggest risk. We either invest in the stadium at a substantial cost and look to benefit from the significant investment over the next 30+ years, or we are happy stagnating with an aging ground that will prevent us growing further from where we are now There isn’t really much of an inbetween to go for.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 19, 2024 16:03:03 GMT
Dave’s right that it’s also the biggest risk to the future of the club though ETA ‘potentially’ As with many businesses though its biggest asset could also its biggest risk. We either invest in the stadium at a substantial cost and look to benefit from the significant investment over the next 30+ years, or we are happy stagnating with an aging ground that will prevent us growing further from where we are now There isn’t really much of an inbetween to go for. If this club genuinely wants to be a Championship or even upper League One club (where I see our natural level) long term then EP isn't currently fit for purpose. Two new stands and it will be. We've been long left behind by clubs we used to see as smaller than us, something which was starting to happen in the 00s but has accelerated in our time in non league wilderness. Christ just doing the Railway End would make a huge difference to the long term aspirations of our football club. Get the planning application in, get it approved, get it built.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 20, 2024 8:10:46 GMT
As with many businesses though its biggest asset could also its biggest risk. We either invest in the stadium at a substantial cost and look to benefit from the significant investment over the next 30+ years, or we are happy stagnating with an aging ground that will prevent us growing further from where we are now There isn’t really much of an inbetween to go for. If this club genuinely wants to be a Championship or even upper League One club (where I see our natural level) long term then EP isn't currently fit for purpose. Two new stands and it will be. We've been long left behind by clubs we used to see as smaller than us, something which was starting to happen in the 00s but has accelerated in our time in non league wilderness. Christ just doing the Railway End would make a huge difference to the long term aspirations of our football club. Get the planning application in, get it approved, get it built. Really its a good job we built the CE years back as without it i doubt we,d be where we are today. Doubt even MS would have put money into a club with the capacity it had without it or a copy of the old CE. Fans one minute are saying we can increase our fan base and the next worrying about building the ground to accomodate them.
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